BAA Strike action ??
#137
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Just out of interest, I wonder what the financial implication to BAA will be if the strike does go ahead. I would have thought that BAA would have to compensate all the carriers at all affected airports and also all the shops etc due to loss of business.
This would surely amount to a lot of money...
I am on the 10th Jan in Club to ORD and back again on the 15th hopefully we will be ok...
This would surely amount to a lot of money...
I am on the 10th Jan in Club to ORD and back again on the 15th hopefully we will be ok...
#138
Join Date: May 2006
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If you mean BAs, you cant. A commercial policy will be activated if the strikes take place. BA has no magic mirror on this and are waiting to be advised of the formal outcome the same as every other airline. Until that time there is nothing that can be done apart from waiting and considering alternatives. Commercial Policies usually allow for free changes or refunds if your flight is disrupted.
#139
Join Date: Oct 2006
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I have booked (MFU'd WTP to CW) a pair of seats on BA with the outbound on 17 Jan (inbound end of the Jan).
It is important I get to my destination on time, strike or no strike and I don't want to wait until the last minute to find out that I could be delayed.
My backup plan involves the travel insurance (Amex Plat chargecard) which should (fingers crossed) cover delayed departure in case the planned 48-hour strike on 17 Jan goes ahead.
I resorted to booking a fully flexible one-way LCY-CDG + CDG to my longhaul destination on AF. The question remains whether I can persuade Amex to cover the cost of J travel on AF.
Has anyone been in a similar situation before (i.e. rebooking themselves on another airline and using Amex cover to recoup the costs?)
Obviously if the strike goes ahead it wouldn't be possible to fly the BA outbound, but I'd like to know that this won't affect the inbound reservation at the end of Jan which ought to remain valid. There is a minor question mark over this as well, can anyone shed some light?
It is important I get to my destination on time, strike or no strike and I don't want to wait until the last minute to find out that I could be delayed.
My backup plan involves the travel insurance (Amex Plat chargecard) which should (fingers crossed) cover delayed departure in case the planned 48-hour strike on 17 Jan goes ahead.
I resorted to booking a fully flexible one-way LCY-CDG + CDG to my longhaul destination on AF. The question remains whether I can persuade Amex to cover the cost of J travel on AF.
Has anyone been in a similar situation before (i.e. rebooking themselves on another airline and using Amex cover to recoup the costs?)
Obviously if the strike goes ahead it wouldn't be possible to fly the BA outbound, but I'd like to know that this won't affect the inbound reservation at the end of Jan which ought to remain valid. There is a minor question mark over this as well, can anyone shed some light?
#140
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I have booked (MFU'd WTP to CW) a pair of seats on BA with the outbound on 17 Jan (inbound end of the Jan).
It is important I get to my destination on time, strike or no strike and I don't want to wait until the last minute to find out that I could be delayed.
My backup plan involves the travel insurance (Amex Plat chargecard) which should (fingers crossed) cover delayed departure in case the planned 48-hour strike on 17 Jan goes ahead.
I resorted to booking a fully flexible one-way LCY-CDG + CDG to my longhaul destination on AF. The question remains whether I can persuade Amex to cover the cost of J travel on AF.
Has anyone been in a similar situation before (i.e. rebooking themselves on another airline and using Amex cover to recoup the costs?)
Obviously if the strike goes ahead it wouldn't be possible to fly the BA outbound, but I'd like to know that this won't affect the inbound reservation at the end of Jan which ought to remain valid. There is a minor question mark over this as well, can anyone shed some light?
It is important I get to my destination on time, strike or no strike and I don't want to wait until the last minute to find out that I could be delayed.
My backup plan involves the travel insurance (Amex Plat chargecard) which should (fingers crossed) cover delayed departure in case the planned 48-hour strike on 17 Jan goes ahead.
I resorted to booking a fully flexible one-way LCY-CDG + CDG to my longhaul destination on AF. The question remains whether I can persuade Amex to cover the cost of J travel on AF.
Has anyone been in a similar situation before (i.e. rebooking themselves on another airline and using Amex cover to recoup the costs?)
Obviously if the strike goes ahead it wouldn't be possible to fly the BA outbound, but I'd like to know that this won't affect the inbound reservation at the end of Jan which ought to remain valid. There is a minor question mark over this as well, can anyone shed some light?
#141
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I think you may be out of luck here. Amex Plat pays out £150 max for travel delays, so I don't see Amex ponying up the cost of a replacement itinerary I am afraid to say. Strikes are covered by Amex Plat provided you made the booking before the strike was announced.
Here is what Amex say:
(https://www.iplatinum.americanexpres...ryBenefits.pdf)
You will be paid up to £7,500 if You cancel, postpone, change or abandon Your Trip, due to:
...
g) a delay of more than 12 hours on the outward leg of Your Trip as a result of industrial action, adverse weather, mechanical breakdown of public transport, or a transportation accident which means you no longer want to go on Your Trip. The period of delay is reduced to 6 hours for Trips less than 5 days.
...
g) a delay of more than 12 hours on the outward leg of Your Trip as a result of industrial action, adverse weather, mechanical breakdown of public transport, or a transportation accident which means you no longer want to go on Your Trip. The period of delay is reduced to 6 hours for Trips less than 5 days.
#142
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I have booked (MFU'd WTP to CW) a pair of seats on BA with the outbound on 17 Jan (inbound end of the Jan).
It is important I get to my destination on time, strike or no strike and I don't want to wait until the last minute to find out that I could be delayed.
My backup plan involves the travel insurance (Amex Plat chargecard) which should (fingers crossed) cover delayed departure in case the planned 48-hour strike on 17 Jan goes ahead.
I resorted to booking a fully flexible one-way LCY-CDG + CDG to my longhaul destination on AF. The question remains whether I can persuade Amex to cover the cost of J travel on AF.
Has anyone been in a similar situation before (i.e. rebooking themselves on another airline and using Amex cover to recoup the costs?)
Obviously if the strike goes ahead it wouldn't be possible to fly the BA outbound, but I'd like to know that this won't affect the inbound reservation at the end of Jan which ought to remain valid. There is a minor question mark over this as well, can anyone shed some light?
It is important I get to my destination on time, strike or no strike and I don't want to wait until the last minute to find out that I could be delayed.
My backup plan involves the travel insurance (Amex Plat chargecard) which should (fingers crossed) cover delayed departure in case the planned 48-hour strike on 17 Jan goes ahead.
I resorted to booking a fully flexible one-way LCY-CDG + CDG to my longhaul destination on AF. The question remains whether I can persuade Amex to cover the cost of J travel on AF.
Has anyone been in a similar situation before (i.e. rebooking themselves on another airline and using Amex cover to recoup the costs?)
Obviously if the strike goes ahead it wouldn't be possible to fly the BA outbound, but I'd like to know that this won't affect the inbound reservation at the end of Jan which ought to remain valid. There is a minor question mark over this as well, can anyone shed some light?
If no BAA strike; cancel fully flexible return and fly BA. If BA strikes, then go for the full refund option; which will be available (although allow some time for the refund to be processed). You cannot fly return if no outbound flight.
#143
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Your plan will almost work. You just need to book a fully flexible "return"
If no BAA strike; cancel fully flexible return and fly BA. If BA strikes, then go for the full refund option; which will be available (although allow some time for the refund to be processed). You cannot fly return if no outbound flight.
If no BAA strike; cancel fully flexible return and fly BA. If BA strikes, then go for the full refund option; which will be available (although allow some time for the refund to be processed). You cannot fly return if no outbound flight.
With luck this may see the break up of the BAA and - hopefully a UK organisation with some idea of PR and UK Industrial Relations taking over. Nationalisation is out of the question as the Government has agreed in all but name to underwrite and nationalise Northern Rock if all else fails.
Nice to see one's taxes being used in such imaginative ways rather than dreary old hospitals and schools.
#144
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It will be interesting to see how Gordo responds to his Old Labour mates as they gather around the braziers on the 7th - when I will be trying to get through Zone R...
And don't get me started on CGT...
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Yes I booked the BA flights back in October before the strikes were announced.
Here is what Amex say:
(https://www.iplatinum.americanexpres...ryBenefits.pdf)
To my mind this appears to cover not being able to fly the outbound on BA due to the 48-hour industrial action on 17 Jan (should it happen). Am I missing something?
Here is what Amex say:
(https://www.iplatinum.americanexpres...ryBenefits.pdf)
To my mind this appears to cover not being able to fly the outbound on BA due to the 48-hour industrial action on 17 Jan (should it happen). Am I missing something?
Last edited by Land-of-Miles; Dec 29, 2007 at 10:31 am
#146
Join Date: Oct 2007
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I just phoned BA and was told that they would know if the 'proposed strikes' were going to go ahead 4 days before the date, and the more information about what BA would do would be released then - 3rd Jan.
I also asked about what would happen if the strike did go ahead, and I was told there would be a seemingly quite robust reschedule/refund/rebook plan. The guy said 'we would initially offer you the next best flight, and if that doesn't suit your plans we would work out the best option for you, which could be a refund if needs be'.
This has soothed my mind considerably. I'll only lose about 15 quid on cancelling the hotel if I must, and can then book it for a week later or something. All a tad annoying that this is my first ever self-funded, self-planned holiday since leaving home and getting a job.
Still, impressed at the BA response from the man I spoke to. Hope this info helps anyone looking for it.
#147
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What you seem to have difficulty with is the very idea of a collective interest, as distinct from an individual one. Let us say my union is negotiating on a change to the salary scale affecting the lower echelons, the provision of creche facilities, or on redundancies. My individual interest as Joe Bloggs, a single man without children and a long-standing employee at a fairly advanced stage in my career, will be nil or close to nil in this. My collective interest as employee, however, will be affected.
Divide and rule is a classic tool used by employers in industrial relations. By creating separate and smaller categories of workers, you diminish their strength. Is it improper for me to take part in an action against redundancies, on the ground that, given my seniority, I will not be one of those who will be made redundant? If I don't help Fred who is in a slightly different position to mine (eg: recently hired...), will Fred help me when the roles are reversed?
If the union does not protect the rights of newly hired employees, those employees will not feel represented by the union. This will weaken the position of the union in future negotiations, to the detriment of its current members.
Divide and rule is a classic tool used by employers in industrial relations. By creating separate and smaller categories of workers, you diminish their strength. Is it improper for me to take part in an action against redundancies, on the ground that, given my seniority, I will not be one of those who will be made redundant? If I don't help Fred who is in a slightly different position to mine (eg: recently hired...), will Fred help me when the roles are reversed?
If the union does not protect the rights of newly hired employees, those employees will not feel represented by the union. This will weaken the position of the union in future negotiations, to the detriment of its current members.
I have said before on this forum that I am not of the belief that striking over these issues is productive, it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of both employees and employers. I think it shows two things;
1. BAA is a poor employer with very bad relations with employees
2. The unions are perhaps not so willing to negotiate fairly (i.e. give and take) than other unions.
As for banning strike action -that is quite a dangerous path to go down. Being a 'capitalist' at heart, it shows to me that our economy is not strong enough; if people see a reason to strike, it shows me that something is going wrong and it is a very sad situation to be in that no one, except the unions, want to be in -it is hard for employees and hard for employers, and the knock on effect on the economy and on the travelling public, along with BA and other airlines will be profound which is a shame, because BA really need some good luck.
If the unions really want to hit the nail in to BA though, I would negotiate and delay the strike action, acting very reasonably and gaining media support, then saying in about the end of FEB that baa is being unreasonable and that strike action will occur on say 27 March -the day T5 opens.
#148
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I am !due! to travel LHR-MUC on the 8th coming back on the 9th JAN and hope that there won't be knock on cancellations on the 8th due to a/c and crew being out of position!! Due to be on the BA952 which leaves LHR at 1230 and returning on the BA957 leaving muc at 2110 on the 9th. It's I class so can't really change (I would go BHX-DUS-MUC if I could cancel/refund the BA flight, I cannot postpone this meeting, so just have to hope that everything is ok on the day following the strike.
#149
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I don't take much solace from the fact that BA are planning to announce a policy on January 3. We are staying in London now. We are due to leave for Florence on January 1, returning on January 7, with Club World departure (MFU) on January 8 for LAX. The last thing we want to do is miss that January 8 flight...assuming it goes as scheduled, which I know is a big assumption. I also don't want to get bumped down to coach under any circumstances. Our flight to Florence, is a non-refundable....this is about the first time I have bought a non-refundable ticket in recent memory. At my husband's urging, I might add. We don't know whether to leave and risk that we might not get back in time for the trans-Atlantic flight. We are even considering not going to Florence and hoping that the ticket might be refunded at some later time. My kids need to be back in school, and my husband needs to get back to work. It is very aggravating. January 3 doesn't do me much good. I'm a big BA fan, but despite several calls, the only option they have given us is to change the return date of our Florence ticket for about 600 pounds. I paid 900 pounds for the tickets, so that is not very palatable. Any insights would be appreciated.
#150
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Their not going to refund, or change, your non refundable flights until they know the strikes are indeed going ahead, and have a policy in place.
Once again, this strike is not BA's doing.