TLV flights to change to shorthaul aircraft; TPs change (reduce) from 30 Mar 2025
Feb 8, 2024, 8:33 am
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I recall all these anguished cries from when BA announced that it was curtailing the long haul service from CAI. "But cabins are full", "this is a mistake", "I won't fly BA now". And yet, BA did it. And they have not relented. The short haul service is now around 2 years old. Clearly BA feels that this is the right plane for the right route. They are the business; they have the data. As it happens, fares on the route did go down, probably reflecting the downgrade in product.
And now TLV is to get this treatment. I regret that. I'd rather see long haul equipment on flights to AMM, CAI and TLV (and probably LCA too for good measure). But the only hope to get BA to change tack, is to vote with your feet/wallets. It didn't happen with CAI. Perhaps TLV travellers will have more success. Good luck.
And now TLV is to get this treatment. I regret that. I'd rather see long haul equipment on flights to AMM, CAI and TLV (and probably LCA too for good measure). But the only hope to get BA to change tack, is to vote with your feet/wallets. It didn't happen with CAI. Perhaps TLV travellers will have more success. Good luck.
Feb 8, 2024, 8:34 am
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Well, TLV is VERY different from that. I fly TLV-LHR-TLV at least once a month, in CW (pre-October 23). In F when available, often connecting to NYC in LHR. The cabins in BA to/from TLV are almost always packed full. It is usually difficult to get an I class fare weeks before. WT+ and WT are also usually very full. ELAL is also pretty full on that rioute as well. Now, if they were filling two 777s (and a mid haul 321 in the summer as well before they were scrapped) or a 777 and a 351 DAILY, I have no idea how the capacity reduction to two short haul flights per day will work out.
Insofar as recovery after the current "war" ends (and it really is "war" - there is no sensible reason not to be flying at the moment, it does not affect 99% of the country), it will not take time to pick up. As soon as there are flights, they will be snapped up.
Insofar as recovery after the current "war" ends (and it really is "war" - there is no sensible reason not to be flying at the moment, it does not affect 99% of the country), it will not take time to pick up. As soon as there are flights, they will be snapped up.
And fare-buckets as currently manipulated by revenue management do not necessarily indicate route loadings. I have been on plenty of flights recently which were showing R0 I0 for weeks before departure and still left half empty. Perception is not always truth. BA has history of protecting premium prices but seem to be very slow to realise for that to work they really need a premium product.
Feb 8, 2024, 8:49 am
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The RJ 787 is just fine up front.
This is a great shame. I don't think I can take five hours in Euro Traveller. Before the current difficulties in the region broke out last fall we had great plans for an AMM/TLV open jaw holiday tour. If / when we reattempt, it will be on AY or RJ from the US, bypassing LHR / BA altogether.
This is a great shame. I don't think I can take five hours in Euro Traveller. Before the current difficulties in the region broke out last fall we had great plans for an AMM/TLV open jaw holiday tour. If / when we reattempt, it will be on AY or RJ from the US, bypassing LHR / BA altogether.
Feb 8, 2024, 8:52 am
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The RJ 787 is just fine up front.
This is a great shame. I don't think I can take five hours in Euro Traveller. Before the current difficulties in the region broke out last fall we had great plans for an AMM/TLV open jaw holiday tour. If / when we reattempt, it will be on AY or RJ from the US, bypassing LHR / BA altogether.
This is a great shame. I don't think I can take five hours in Euro Traveller. Before the current difficulties in the region broke out last fall we had great plans for an AMM/TLV open jaw holiday tour. If / when we reattempt, it will be on AY or RJ from the US, bypassing LHR / BA altogether.
Feb 8, 2024, 8:54 am
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Feb 8, 2024, 8:59 am
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Feb 8, 2024, 8:59 am
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I realise they want "flex" in cabin configuration, and that many choose BA over LY, like they choose BA or RJ/TK etc...* but given this surely must have led to reduced numbers (perhaps not profit given higher margins on a short-haul C sold at the same prices as when they flew l/h aircrafts) can't they at this stage introduce a medium-haul fleet? Destinations such as TLV, CAI, AMM, IST could warrant a dedicated cabin with eg 20 US F-style seats.
From the many threads on this board saying they can't price out eg KUL-SIN on BA.com I think alot of people only reference BA.com when booking initially so thus people still probably will book BA to these destinations.
From the many threads on this board saying they can't price out eg KUL-SIN on BA.com I think alot of people only reference BA.com when booking initially so thus people still probably will book BA to these destinations.
Feb 8, 2024, 9:14 am
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Feb 8, 2024, 9:16 am
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Feb 8, 2024, 9:46 am
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Feb 8, 2024, 9:53 am
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Feb 8, 2024, 10:04 am
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I'd personally be staggered if this didnt change once the Israeli economy is back to full strength, and once tourism numbers rebound.
I think it's fairly obvious why BA are downgrading the route, but I'd expect this to be temporary - 12 months perhaps.
In terms of the VS comparison, it's worth remembering VS don't own any shorthaul aircraft, so you're not exactly comparing apples & oranges anymore.
Additionally, and perhaps a positive (albeit off-topic), it frees up a couple of long-haul aircraft to be sent to new destinations.
M
I think it's fairly obvious why BA are downgrading the route, but I'd expect this to be temporary - 12 months perhaps.
In terms of the VS comparison, it's worth remembering VS don't own any shorthaul aircraft, so you're not exactly comparing apples & oranges anymore.
Additionally, and perhaps a positive (albeit off-topic), it frees up a couple of long-haul aircraft to be sent to new destinations.
M
Feb 8, 2024, 10:48 am
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Feb 8, 2024, 10:59 am
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I'd personally be staggered if this didnt change once the Israeli economy is back to full strength, and once tourism numbers rebound.
I think it's fairly obvious why BA are downgrading the route, but I'd expect this to be temporary - 12 months perhaps.
In terms of the VS comparison, it's worth remembering VS don't own any shorthaul aircraft, so you're not exactly comparing apples & oranges anymore.
Additionally, and perhaps a positive (albeit off-topic), it frees up a couple of long-haul aircraft to be sent to new destinations.
M
I think it's fairly obvious why BA are downgrading the route, but I'd expect this to be temporary - 12 months perhaps.
In terms of the VS comparison, it's worth remembering VS don't own any shorthaul aircraft, so you're not exactly comparing apples & oranges anymore.
Additionally, and perhaps a positive (albeit off-topic), it frees up a couple of long-haul aircraft to be sent to new destinations.
M
As for long-haul aircraft becoming available, I understood that BA had a general shortfall of airframes anyway. Those A321's will need to come from somewhere too, so expect changes on other routes to makes these available. Swings and roundabouts.
Feb 8, 2024, 11:14 am
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the distance rules are not irrelevant and why does this keep being brought up nothing at all to suggest it will go spend based and no reason for it to do so loyalty schemes are about keeping customers loyal rewarding only the rich who seldom fly BA does not do that