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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:39 am
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We’re changing the way you collect Avios.

As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.

This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.

You'll collect Avios on:

  • The base fare and any carrier-imposed charges
  • Cabin upgrades
  • Seats that you pre-book and pay for
  • Additional bags

The total you spend is then multiplied according to your tier:

Blue Members collect 6 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Bronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent


FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency

What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.

Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.

When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.

What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
  • The base fare on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
  • The Carrier Imposed Charges (YQ) on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
  • Cabin upgrades made online or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
  • Additional Baggage pre-purchased online, though our Contact Centres or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
  • Pre-paid seating charges on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
Do I collect more Avios depending on my Tier level?
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
  • Blue members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
  • Bronze members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
  • Silver members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
  • Gold members will receive 9 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
For flights marketed by Iberia, we will award the following Avios:
  • Blue members will receive 5 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
  • Bronze members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
  • Silver members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
  • Gold members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent

If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.

If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.

If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.

If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.

Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.

Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.

If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.

Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.

Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.

Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.

Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.

After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).

Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.

Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.

For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.

We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.

How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.

Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.

How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.

For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.

For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.

If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.

When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.

How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 11:14 am
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Just got back from a shorthaul recent work trip. Flights booked through Amex business travel.

Points were credited based on distance, not revenue, so earning was about 15% what I was expecting.

Can't see anything unusual about the booking (several recent flights booked for me recently in the same way have credited based on revenue).

Any others experienced similar issues / things to look out for when booking via Amex? Or will BA fix the points credited for the trip if I raise it with them?
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by BA or bust
It is too early in the morning for me to do the maths… but a dirt cheap car/hotel for a 1 night BAH might be less than that the additional Avios gained. Especially if you factor in the cashflow advantage of paying a small deposit for flight a few months in advance.
Anyone awake enough to do the maths?
Given that you can rent a car cheaply for a day (under £20) in some parts of the world, and there is no requirement for your car hire to be anywhere associated with your flight, I would struggle to see any case where a cheap long haul trip wouldn’t earn enough Avios via BAH to offset the cost of the car hire.
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 12:25 pm
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I went ahead with a POUG for a LHR-KEF flight. The flight was booked before 18 October but the POUG was processed much later (this year IIRC). I have been credited with 2943 Avios. Does that seem right?

It's lower than what I was expecting, based on the figure I wrote in my Avios earnings tracker spreadsheet. But I can't remember where I got that figure from! The Avios calculator on BA's site is of no use as it only reflects the new distance-based method with the reduced 50% vs 100% Gold bonus. My understanding is that this booking should still credit based on the 100% bonus.
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by TabTraveller
Given that you can rent a car cheaply for a day (under £20) in some parts of the world, and there is no requirement for your car hire to be anywhere associated with your flight, I would struggle to see any case where a cheap long haul trip wouldn’t earn enough Avios via BAH to offset the cost of the car hire.
Young miss rapidex doesn't have a driving license, so that is not yet an option.
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 10:05 pm
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Originally Posted by BA or bust
It is too early in the morning for me to do the maths… but a dirt cheap car/hotel for a 1 night BAH might be less than that the additional Avios gained. Especially if you factor in the cashflow advantage of paying a small deposit for flight a few months in advance.
Anyone awake enough to do the maths?
Thanks for that, in the end she was happy to get £20 off using 2000 avios. For future trips we will evaluate the cost, and ignore any avios earnings. I suspect this may price BA out of the equation, except for avios bookings. We earn lots of avios from other sources, Amex, Nectar,Uber etc so that will keep us going.
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Old Mar 19, 2024, 4:37 am
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Originally Posted by rapidex
Young miss rapidex doesn't have a driving license, so that is not yet an option.
Young miss rapidex doesn't need to collect the car... it's all about adding a cheap add on component to transform a flight only booking into a BA Holiday in order to qualify for the distance based avios as opposed to spend based avios.
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Old Mar 19, 2024, 7:22 pm
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Originally Posted by 1Aturnleft
Young miss rapidex doesn't need to collect the car... it's all about adding a cheap add on component to transform a flight only booking into a BA Holiday in order to qualify for the distance based avios as opposed to spend based avios.
Ok, thanks for that
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Old Mar 20, 2024, 1:11 am
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Originally Posted by rapidex
Ok, thanks for that
Avios aside, I’d pay the £20 to benefit from only having to pay the deposit until 4/7 weeks before departure, giving a lot of added flexibility, and having access to the BAH duty desk whilst away who are often - dare I say - more helpful and competent that some GGL agents.
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Old Mar 26, 2024, 2:23 pm
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Some of these new earnings are comical, particularly recently on a well-priced TP run plated on 001 (AA) ticket stock ...

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Old Mar 26, 2024, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by BA Humbug
Some of these new earnings are comical, particularly recently on a well-priced TP run plated on 001 (AA) ticket stock ...
More TP than Avios, that’s a new one!

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Old Mar 28, 2024, 6:28 pm
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Originally Posted by flarmip
I went ahead with a POUG for a LHR-KEF flight. The flight was booked before 18 October but the POUG was processed much later (this year IIRC). I have been credited with 2943 Avios. Does that seem right?

It's lower than what I was expecting, based on the figure I wrote in my Avios earnings tracker spreadsheet. But I can't remember where I got that figure from! The Avios calculator on BA's site is of no use as it only reflects the new distance-based method with the reduced 50% vs 100% Gold bonus. My understanding is that this booking should still credit based on the 100% bonus.
Isn't this still the old calculator here: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...r/public/en_es ?
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 3:18 am
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Originally Posted by Shl
Isn't this still the old calculator here: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...r/public/en_es ?
That shows the earnings you get with a BA Holidays booking under the new system - which means it's distance-based as before, but you only get a 50% bonus as a Gold member. Previously you got a 100% bonus.

I haven't found anywhere that confirms the exact amount that was due under the old 100% system.
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 5:22 am
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I’m about to fly a number of US domestic flights in AA F. I read that AA flights now also credit BAEC based on (GBP) spend. Most likely my customer will be purchasing these tickets on my behalf in the US with USD. Most tickets are in D class or above due to availability and flexibility, will these also be credited revenue-based? How can I get around that? Is it even ok with GDPR that US purchase information for an EU-based flyer is passed across the continents?
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by BA Humbug
Some of these new earnings are comical, particularly recently on a well-priced TP run plated on 001 (AA) ticket stock ...
Seeing examples as stark as that rather emphasises the incongruity of the distance-based model for TPs. Tick-tock.
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 5:27 am
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The airline in the US is passing details to the account in your name that you have chosen to associate with your booking - what data protection aspect is there?
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