Jul 18, 2023, 3:39 am
Last edit by: Prospero
We’re changing the way you collect Avios.
As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.
This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.
Bronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency
What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.
Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.
When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.
If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.
If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.
Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.
Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.
If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.
Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.
Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.
After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).
Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.
Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.
For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.
We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.
How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.
Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.
How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.
For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.
For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.
If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.
When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.
How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.
This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.
You'll collect Avios on:
- The base fare and any carrier-imposed charges
- Cabin upgrades
- Seats that you pre-book and pay for
- Additional bags
The total you spend is then multiplied according to your tier:
Blue Members collect 6 Avios per pound (GBP) spentBronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency
What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.
Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.
When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
- The base fare on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
- The Carrier Imposed Charges (YQ) on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
- Cabin upgrades made online or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
- Additional Baggage pre-purchased online, though our Contact Centres or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
- Pre-paid seating charges on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
- Blue members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Bronze members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Silver members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Gold members will receive 9 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Blue members will receive 5 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Bronze members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Silver members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Gold members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.
If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.
If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.
Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.
Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.
If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.
Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.
Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.
After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).
Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.
Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.
For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.
We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.
How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.
Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.
How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.
For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.
For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.
If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.
When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.
How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
Avios Earnings Change - Based on ££ Spent - booked after 18 Oct 23 (TPs unchanged)
Jul 18, 2023, 4:54 am
#61
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My gut instinct is that this does me no favours, but surprisingly on calculating my recent return on spend on some relatively expensive AMS and VIE rotations, it seems that I would be significantly better off under the new system (if I am correctly calculating) than under existing rules. I only got 750 Avios for a recent expensive AMS-LHR flight, which would equate to around £84 of spend on the new system- cannot remember the last time I managed to get anywhere near that price level for a single portion- it is usually double that for me on the flights that I get. So maybe I will reserve judgment- I have a feeling that in overall terms it might not make a huge difference for many, but it will obviously depend on flying patterns.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:58 am
#63
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If this works like it does with the US3 airlines for their own metal flights on their own ticket stock on standalone published fares, skipping the return/onward flights will generally mean missing out on a bunch of the miles that would have otherwise been deposited into the account if not having no-showed for the return/onward segments.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:59 am
#64
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i don’t think the op was arguing for « more » examples, just accused Ba of being biased and manipulative in the examples they chose. I am sure that some may feel the examples were just random but I’m 100% with the op on their assessment. They did not want to show cases where people would be « no worse off » (or for that matter worse off); they specifically tried to find examples where people would seem better off - hence the choice of point to point, hence the choice of R at the top of the 150% band rather than I (cheaper) or D (250%) and indeed hence the choice of silver rather than gold to illustrate an elite example. Those examples are not intended to be informative or illustrative, they are intended to be at best persuasive or at worst manipulative.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:01 am
#65
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ahah good one. No, not a chance.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:04 am
#66
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As someone who usually books rather inexpensive ex-EU CW returns, this obviously is going to hurt (a lot).
The fare + YQ of my most recent booking come out to about 1,400 GBP, as a GGL that comes out to 12,600 Avios.
According to MMB (and my own calculations) the same ticket earns 24,745 Avios under the old system.
I understand where they're coming from, still wish they wouldn't change it...
The fare + YQ of my most recent booking come out to about 1,400 GBP, as a GGL that comes out to 12,600 Avios.
According to MMB (and my own calculations) the same ticket earns 24,745 Avios under the old system.
I understand where they're coming from, still wish they wouldn't change it...
Jul 18, 2023, 5:05 am
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My gut instinct is that this does me no favours, but surprisingly on calculating my recent return on spend on some relatively expensive AMS and VIE rotations, it seems that I would be significantly better off under the new system (if I am correctly calculating) than under existing rules. I only got 750 Avios for a recent expensive AMS-LHR flight, which would equate to around £84 of spend on the new system- cannot remember the last time I managed to get anywhere near that price level for a single portion- it is usually double that for me on the flights that I get. So maybe I will reserve judgment- I have a feeling that in overall terms it might not make a huge difference for many, but it will obviously depend on flying patterns.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:08 am
#69
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The real devaluation here will be on the TP running side of things. Take for example a BUD-HEL-JFL-LAX all on BA numbers, priced at £1590 - best I can find.
As a gold currently this would be 41,672 Avios. Under 9 X revenue based it would be 14,310. This is based on matrix giving J/I/I/I as the booking classes.
Best get next September's TP run booked before October 18.
As a gold currently this would be 41,672 Avios. Under 9 X revenue based it would be 14,310. This is based on matrix giving J/I/I/I as the booking classes.
Best get next September's TP run booked before October 18.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:09 am
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The fare paid is much higher than £84, and so that is why the points earned would be more for that example going forward.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:09 am
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why would AA care? It’s a full jv operation On tatl. Makes exactly zero difference to either v’ba or aa in terms of cost or income whether you buy from and fly on one or the other.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:12 am
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It will be interesting to see if the Chase BA credit card available to us Americans will become a lot more lucrative following this change. The typical course for the US airlines that have done this thing is for the affiliated bank cards to toss in additional benefits and bonuses in the period that follows.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:15 am
#73
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My gut instinct is that this does me no favours, but surprisingly on calculating my recent return on spend on some relatively expensive AMS and VIE rotations, it seems that I would be significantly better off under the new system (if I am correctly calculating) than under existing rules. I only got 750 Avios for a recent expensive AMS-LHR flight, which would equate to around £84 of spend on the new system- cannot remember the last time I managed to get anywhere near that price level for a single portion- it is usually double that for me on the flights that I get. So maybe I will reserve judgment- I have a feeling that in overall terms it might not make a huge difference for many, but it will obviously depend on flying patterns.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:15 am
#74
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It will be interesting to see if the Chase BA credit card available to us Americans will become a lot more lucrative following this change. The typical course for the US airlines that have done this thing is for the affiliated bank cards to toss in additional benefits and bonuses in the period that follows.
Seeing that go up to 4x or 5x would dfinitely be nice, but I'd have to see it to believe it.
Jul 18, 2023, 5:16 am
#75
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So the old rules will apply to 125 tickets issued by travel agent BAH, but what will happen with 125 tickets issued by OTAs like Expedia or by corporate TAs? WIll the old rules or the new rules apply? If the old rules apply to say Expedia-issued tickets with or without one hotel room thrown in for more fare opacity, then buying cheaper ex-EU I-class tickets from an OTA rather than from ba.com is a no-brainer.