Jul 18, 2023, 3:39 am
Last edit by: Prospero
We’re changing the way you collect Avios.
As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.
This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.
Bronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency
What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.
Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.
When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.
If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.
If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.
Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.
Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.
If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.
Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.
Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.
After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).
Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.
Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.
For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.
We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.
How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.
Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.
How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.
For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.
For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.
If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.
When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.
How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.
This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.
You'll collect Avios on:
- The base fare and any carrier-imposed charges
- Cabin upgrades
- Seats that you pre-book and pay for
- Additional bags
The total you spend is then multiplied according to your tier:
Blue Members collect 6 Avios per pound (GBP) spentBronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency
What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.
Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.
When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
- The base fare on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
- The Carrier Imposed Charges (YQ) on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
- Cabin upgrades made online or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
- Additional Baggage pre-purchased online, though our Contact Centres or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
- Pre-paid seating charges on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
- Blue members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Bronze members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Silver members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Gold members will receive 9 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Blue members will receive 5 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Bronze members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Silver members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Gold members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.
If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.
If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.
Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.
Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.
If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.
Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.
Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.
After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).
Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.
Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.
For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.
We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.
How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.
Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.
How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.
For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.
For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.
If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.
When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.
How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
Avios Earnings Change - Based on ££ Spent - booked after 18 Oct 23 (TPs unchanged)
Jul 18, 2023, 3:23 am
#31
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Well in terms cherry picking also note that obviously they are comparing nonstop from London only. If you had connections, you’d get avios for those too - for instance in club on a return, that would be a minimum 2500 extra avios for a gold or 1500 for a blue for the ce connections which now simply evaporate entirely.
Jul 18, 2023, 3:23 am
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Jul 18, 2023, 3:26 am
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Interesting. I only fly to Asia long-haul and when calculating avios, BA always beats Cathay (as a once Silver card holder - now Bronze though). As I'm flexible with dates and EU airports, I usually get a decent price, so in future it seems I'd get more avios flying Cathay. I'll have to check calculations, although I doubt it'll affect my choice at all. Which, no doubt, is all BA care about.
Jul 18, 2023, 3:46 am
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I can see a mass load of bookings pre Oct happening, glad my TP run is locked. Obviously Avios are a secondary consideration but given the keen price on TPs runs they're presumably going to be hit hard.
Jul 18, 2023, 3:47 am
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Except that ex-JER to a LHR/LGW l/h is usually cheaper than the direct flight. Oh well, at least I still get the TPs. Avios earning is a lesser consideration for me.
Jul 18, 2023, 3:52 am
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I don't like this change either, but I can see the underlying principle that you get more avios based on what you pay is fair. if you are paying a lower fare/YQ from JER it is hard to argue that you should get more avios than someone who paid more cash to start exLHR/LGW.
Jul 18, 2023, 3:58 am
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I think I'm right in saying that this will negatively affect earning on Avios bookings that have been AUP'ed. Previously these would earn Avios as if the segment had been a cash fare in the upgraded class. Now, I guess they'll just earn on the AUP fee (if at all).
Jul 18, 2023, 3:58 am
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Interesting. I only fly to Asia long-haul and when calculating avios, BA always beats Cathay (as a once Silver card holder - now Bronze though). As I'm flexible with dates and EU airports, I usually get a decent price, so in future it seems I'd get more avios flying Cathay. I'll have to check calculations, although I doubt it'll affect my choice at all. Which, no doubt, is all BA care about.
With this announcement I'll 100% book QR instead as the Avios will either be the same or I'll maybe even be better off on QR.
The significantly higher Avios earnings on BA metal was a big draw for me when booking, and now that's gone... Be interesting to see how much BA metal I do next year now as a result when there's effectively now parity on earnings with partner airline metal.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:02 am
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This is nothing but a way for BA to make sure that earning points from flying to be redeemed for award flights becomes substantially way less rewarding to BA customers in the aggregate than is already the case.
A devaluation by any other name is still a devaluation in the aggregate — and that is what this is intended to be for BA customers.
A devaluation by any other name is still a devaluation in the aggregate — and that is what this is intended to be for BA customers.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:02 am
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And given BA have carefully picked their examples in the marketing, I'll go ahead and carefully choose one myself.
Here's the price for a 2 night return trip to Dublin in October. Currently a Gold would earn 1,250 Avios for the return.
Under the new scheme, they will earn.... *drum roll*.... 144 Avios.
An 88% reduction.
Here's the price for a 2 night return trip to Dublin in October. Currently a Gold would earn 1,250 Avios for the return.
Under the new scheme, they will earn.... *drum roll*.... 144 Avios.
An 88% reduction.
Last edited by Wozza2404; Jul 18, 2023 at 4:04 am Reason: Maths is hard
Jul 18, 2023, 4:07 am
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I've been looking for a BA fare to Australia as I much prefer BA on this route due to the signifciantly higher Avios earnings in CW with the Gold multipler, etc. vs partner airlines.
With this announcement I'll 100% book QR instead as the Avios will either be the same or I'll maybe even be better off on QR.
The significantly higher Avios earnings on BA metal was a big draw for me when booking, and now that's gone... Be interesting to see how much BA metal I do next year now as a result when there's effectively now parity on earnings with partner airline metal.
With this announcement I'll 100% book QR instead as the Avios will either be the same or I'll maybe even be better off on QR.
The significantly higher Avios earnings on BA metal was a big draw for me when booking, and now that's gone... Be interesting to see how much BA metal I do next year now as a result when there's effectively now parity on earnings with partner airline metal.
I assume the trick of flying codeshares will result in the new BA policy being applied? if so then I won't be doing that either.
As stated by another "the race to the bottom continues"
Jul 18, 2023, 4:07 am
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Based on the examples provided (which conveniently show an increase in Avios earned under the new model), is this also designed to incentivise flying BA over other One World carriers given partner flights will earn under the old model?
Yet another potential nail in the global alliance coffin for frequent fliers, alongside airlines limiting redemptions to their own members, dynamic pricing etc. etc.
Yet another potential nail in the global alliance coffin for frequent fliers, alongside airlines limiting redemptions to their own members, dynamic pricing etc. etc.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:08 am
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Jul 18, 2023, 4:10 am
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You will still get Avios for the cabin upgrades but the question is as you say
1) Is it what you pay for it as in for the AUP cost itself ?
2) Will it be as if it had been at the rate as if it were actually an upgraded class of booking?
I don't know tbh. Perhaps a dummy booking before and after will say that if you use an amount of what the AUP's are. There's very good examples of what some CE AUP's are in the AUP thread.