WILD flight to Dubai (BA 109)
Dec 22, 2021, 9:12 am
#61
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: CPT
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Walking around while taxiing- let the crew deal with it the danger is largely to themselves, stay out of it.
Masks- some evidence they may work at a population level but not enough for you to worry about in a plane with air filtration, ignore. I can assure you that if they had Omicron you were exposed, mask or not, the good news is it’s a mild cold for almost everyone with a vaccine.
CW food- you were apparently in WTP so really not your problem to worry about.
Would love to hear the other side of the story about the passenger constantly complaining to crew about everyone else’s behaviour….
Masks- some evidence they may work at a population level but not enough for you to worry about in a plane with air filtration, ignore. I can assure you that if they had Omicron you were exposed, mask or not, the good news is it’s a mild cold for almost everyone with a vaccine.
CW food- you were apparently in WTP so really not your problem to worry about.
Would love to hear the other side of the story about the passenger constantly complaining to crew about everyone else’s behaviour….
It's amazing how some being bored sitting for hours will think it's their job to take note of anything that bothers them.
If it's a flight safety matter, by all means notify the crew. Then, allow them to handle it as appropriate. Not wearing a mask, having a loud infant, or using the wrong bathroom doesn't qualify.
Dec 22, 2021, 9:20 am
#62
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The most notorious place seems to be the Jules Verne bar in the Le Meridien at the airport though, mostly given the fact that EK puts its First/ Business transfer pax in there which seems to be a good target group (in this hotel I was even asked once - by Marriott staff - out of the blue 'if I like company as the bar is closed due to Ramadan' during check in, which made me wonder how they assessed that I might be interested).
Dec 22, 2021, 9:37 am
#63
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None of the behaviours described by OP should have been tolerated. Regardless of the merit of masks, flaunting safety protocols etc. if there are any laws/regs to enforce they better be enforced, and if the police has to be called into the gate, so be it. At the end of the day, what is the point of having these directives if they are not enforceable?
Recently, on an Etihad flight i approached the flight's service director, as there were a few passengers that flaunted the masks' rule, foraying from economy etc. Kindly, she told me that the airline did ask them to avoid any potential confrontation, and in practice once they requested a passenger to do/not do something they would refrain from so doing after second/third attempt....
Recently, on an Etihad flight i approached the flight's service director, as there were a few passengers that flaunted the masks' rule, foraying from economy etc. Kindly, she told me that the airline did ask them to avoid any potential confrontation, and in practice once they requested a passenger to do/not do something they would refrain from so doing after second/third attempt....
Dec 22, 2021, 10:39 am
#64
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Coming back to the Vault, I just remembered that I spoke early 2020 with the bar manager of the St Regis Abu Dhabi re/ this topic. He had a good laugh about my experience with my wife - he was the manager of the Vault until 2020 - and he agreed that all kind of services are available there. He also said that at some point they've tried to manage the situation a bit - e.g. even allowing no single ladies into the Vault - but the ladies simply chatted up guys in the lobby to come in as a couple.
The most notorious place seems to be the Jules Verne bar in the Le Meridien at the airport though, mostly given the fact that EK puts its First/ Business transfer pax in there which seems to be a good target group (in this hotel I was even asked once - by Marriott staff - out of the blue 'if I like company as the bar is closed due to Ramadan' during check in, which made me wonder how they assessed that I might be interested).
The most notorious place seems to be the Jules Verne bar in the Le Meridien at the airport though, mostly given the fact that EK puts its First/ Business transfer pax in there which seems to be a good target group (in this hotel I was even asked once - by Marriott staff - out of the blue 'if I like company as the bar is closed due to Ramadan' during check in, which made me wonder how they assessed that I might be interested).
Vault, yeah, but it’s subtle. It everywhere in Dubai. Even in the fanciest DIFC bars and restaurants. All that changes is what proportion, and how brazen people get (higher end places won’t allow certain things).
As for being assessed, I think many men travelling alone will get asked that. I was asked that at the One & Only Palm. My wife had checked in a day ahead of me and thought it funny.
Dec 22, 2021, 10:50 am
#65
Join Date: Apr 2018
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Flew on BA 109 to Dubai in PE last night. A handful of pax in PE were openly flouting flight safety instructions by walking around the cabin while the plane was taxiing, not wearing masks for the ENTIRE flight, barging into the CW cabin to grab Club Kitchen snacks and use the bathroom whenever they wished, and so on. A young French couple seated in the bassinet section were the most flagrant and shameless offenders. FAs tried to request them to get with the program a couple times (after we repeatedly pressed them to do so) but they just waved away the FAs arrogantly and so the FAs just gave up. I have never seen such behavior tolerated on any US airline. US FAs are very strict with enforcing regulations, and most US pax (except the most drunken or drugged-up ones) know better than to disobey the FAs. Are BA FAs always this "tolerant" with pax that misbehave?
There will always be a couple of d&@ks that don’t follow rules - this is the nature of travel at the moment, perhaps people should stay home if they expect 100% compliance from beginning to end
Dec 22, 2021, 12:30 pm
#66
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Jules is blatant, and it is probably the sole purifier for that bar existing. I think it’s because of the EK Dubai Connect service that has a lot of overnight people staying at the Le Merdien.
Vault, yeah, but it’s subtle. It everywhere in Dubai. Even in the fanciest DIFC bars and restaurants. All that changes is what proportion, and how brazen people get (higher end places won’t allow certain things).
As for being assessed, I think many men travelling alone will get asked that. I was asked that at the One & Only Palm. My wife had checked in a day ahead of me and thought it funny.
Vault, yeah, but it’s subtle. It everywhere in Dubai. Even in the fanciest DIFC bars and restaurants. All that changes is what proportion, and how brazen people get (higher end places won’t allow certain things).
As for being assessed, I think many men travelling alone will get asked that. I was asked that at the One & Only Palm. My wife had checked in a day ahead of me and thought it funny.
Dec 22, 2021, 1:06 pm
#67
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Having flown numerous AA and AS segments recently I can only marvel at the effectiveness of the Flight Attendants they have on board - they all seem to manage being friendly yet super-firm and taking no s@@t from passengers - one glorious lady on Alaska managed to find time to give a couple three vodka-mixers on a 1hr flight but did not hesitate to call them out on wearing mesh masks and ensuring they took the regulation ones they had on board - message delivered in a friendly but it's not your option manner - they complied happily. I'm not sure at BA if they lack training or ultimately lack the empowerment to take action or perhaps sadly even disillusioned that if they do enforce, they will be overruled or unsupported eventually. There should be a simple procedure for giving one warning and if not heeded, then police on arrival. I'm sure the Dubai police force aren't most people's idea of a great holiday!
It's not a case of writing the incident off as oh they're ( or event the destination itself) a bunch of chavs what do you expect, there are clear rules for flying on a public vehicle and all should comply whether you disagree with their effectiveness or not. I don't know if it would work, but I would be noting seat numbers, reporting to the CSD (and noting if he/she didn't bother taking action) and reporting to BA afterwards - the Club Kitchen thieving is annoying but it's the walking around and no mask wearing that I would focus on.
It's not a case of writing the incident off as oh they're ( or event the destination itself) a bunch of chavs what do you expect, there are clear rules for flying on a public vehicle and all should comply whether you disagree with their effectiveness or not. I don't know if it would work, but I would be noting seat numbers, reporting to the CSD (and noting if he/she didn't bother taking action) and reporting to BA afterwards - the Club Kitchen thieving is annoying but it's the walking around and no mask wearing that I would focus on.
Dec 22, 2021, 2:09 pm
#68
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Dec 22, 2021, 2:33 pm
#69
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Dec 22, 2021, 6:55 pm
#71
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: CPT
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None of the behaviours described by OP should have been tolerated. Regardless of the merit of masks, flaunting safety protocols etc. if there are any laws/regs to enforce they better be enforced, and if the police has to be called into the gate, so be it. At the end of the day, what is the point of having these directives if they are not enforceable?
Recently, on an Etihad flight i approached the flight's service director, as there were a few passengers that flaunted the masks' rule, foraying from economy etc. Kindly, she told me that the airline did ask them to avoid any potential confrontation, and in practice once they requested a passenger to do/not do something they would refrain from so doing after second/third attempt....
Recently, on an Etihad flight i approached the flight's service director, as there were a few passengers that flaunted the masks' rule, foraying from economy etc. Kindly, she told me that the airline did ask them to avoid any potential confrontation, and in practice once they requested a passenger to do/not do something they would refrain from so doing after second/third attempt....
In the US, wearing a mask on board is an FAA regulation based on a directed political decision, most folks use common sense and abide. It's certainly not a 'law'.
Dec 23, 2021, 12:58 am
#72
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,237
Having flown numerous AA and AS segments recently I can only marvel at the effectiveness of the Flight Attendants they have on board - they all seem to manage being friendly yet super-firm and taking no s@@t from passengers - one glorious lady on Alaska managed to find time to give a couple three vodka-mixers on a 1hr flight but did not hesitate to call them out on wearing mesh masks and ensuring they took the regulation ones they had on board - message delivered in a friendly but it's not your option manner - they complied happily. I'm not sure at BA if they lack training or ultimately lack the empowerment to take action or perhaps sadly even disillusioned that if they do enforce, they will be overruled or unsupported eventually. There should be a simple procedure for giving one warning and if not heeded, then police on arrival. I'm sure the Dubai police force aren't most people's idea of a great holiday!
It's not a case of writing the incident off as oh they're ( or event the destination itself) a bunch of chavs what do you expect, there are clear rules for flying on a public vehicle and all should comply whether you disagree with their effectiveness or not. I don't know if it would work, but I would be noting seat numbers, reporting to the CSD (and noting if he/she didn't bother taking action) and reporting to BA afterwards - the Club Kitchen thieving is annoying but it's the walking around and no mask wearing that I would focus on.
It's not a case of writing the incident off as oh they're ( or event the destination itself) a bunch of chavs what do you expect, there are clear rules for flying on a public vehicle and all should comply whether you disagree with their effectiveness or not. I don't know if it would work, but I would be noting seat numbers, reporting to the CSD (and noting if he/she didn't bother taking action) and reporting to BA afterwards - the Club Kitchen thieving is annoying but it's the walking around and no mask wearing that I would focus on.
As for getting the cops at either end of the flight... When I was working for the airline I had to call the police twice (once when I was to go downstairs in arrivals to meet a JNB return from airborne to tell a planeload of angry South Africans that we'd run out of beds due to earlier disruption and it was either the Sofitel ballroom or pay-and-claim, and once for drunk Russian sailors). In the first case the Met arrived roughly when half the plane had arrived, picked up their bags, called me all the possible permutations of c**t and left. In the second case, they never showed up.
As for Dubai's finest...
Dec 23, 2021, 12:03 pm
#73
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: CPT
Posts: 70
The difference is that, in America, airlines are backed up by federal regulations and they will offload/get police to meet the offenders. In the UK, the regulation is as effective and unambiguous as a Hugh Grant monologue. You should wear a face covering, unless you're exempt, and you can be exempt for any kind of reason and you don't need to provide any paperwork.
Flight crews know they're not cops. Some passengers incorrectly think they themselves can become one for the price of a ticket.
Dec 25, 2021, 7:07 am
#74
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Just out for a pre-dinner beer at Jules… The family Christmas Day brunch at Warehouse seemed to be going well, with a British and Asian family hurling abuse at each other and plenty of “hold me back” going on.
In this particular case, it was the Asian family that were slaughtered….
Funny watching other families leaving the brunch and having their photos taken with Santa whilst listening to “F*** off you ****s” not 20 feet away!
No security as it’s not generally that sort of place! And it was 17:00
The place is ruined I tell yer!
In this particular case, it was the Asian family that were slaughtered….
Funny watching other families leaving the brunch and having their photos taken with Santa whilst listening to “F*** off you ****s” not 20 feet away!
No security as it’s not generally that sort of place! And it was 17:00
The place is ruined I tell yer!
Dec 25, 2021, 9:22 am
#75
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