BA422 (LHR-VLC) emergency landing in VLC (cabin filled with smoke)
Aug 6, 2019, 1:31 am
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I was in a bus crash last year, we rolled over. When it was apparent the bus wasn't going to catch fire I took a video of the inside, took pictures etc etc as it comes in useful later in Court and for the insurance company.
Aug 6, 2019, 1:41 am
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However, one must remember the Manchester Airtours fire in 1985. A passenger sat in a window seat towards the rear of the cabin saw the engine fire and made an arbitrary decision to unfasten their seat belt and move to the front of the cabin. This was while the aircraft was still moving. She ignored direct instructions to return to her seat from cabin crew. She and her partner survived, while all those sat around her, including the cabin crew did not survive. This "blunderbuss" saved her own life.
In the Valencia incident, the crew were probably making decisions using Occam's razor. Sometimes, instinct will trump training, especially when an individual has a different data set.
Aug 6, 2019, 1:44 am
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Appreciate we don't know the full circumstances yet but I do find the "fear" of making the decision to evacuate a bit frightening here. I would have been out like a bullet forcing cc out my way to open the door, regardless of consequences. Nobody seems to do that though which I find odd. Especially after hearing the 3 dong emergency tone on the video and the FA is still on the phone clueless what to do. I look forward to hearing the outcome here but fear it's another case of people so scared they may lose their job over common sense. Hope I'm proved wrong.
Or maybe you killed others because you opened a rear exit, and the slide was blown away by the still running engine, meaning others couldn't get out.
Aug 6, 2019, 1:48 am
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This is the situation that would be very problematic for those with lung conditions (asthma, COPD etc).
A successful evacuation, I’m assuming the injuries were from going down the slides.
Is it SOP to not update the passengers when on the ground - I’m speculating but my guess would be that the crew may have been waiting for the captain.
So glad that everyone is safe.
A successful evacuation, I’m assuming the injuries were from going down the slides.
Is it SOP to not update the passengers when on the ground - I’m speculating but my guess would be that the crew may have been waiting for the captain.
So glad that everyone is safe.
great idea on using water on cloth as a makeshift mask aikaterine - I hope to never have to steal it!
Last edited by lorcancoyle; Aug 6, 2019 at 1:59 am
Aug 6, 2019, 2:29 am
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Never mind hand baggage any more. From the photos, it seems that Instragramming, vlogging and live-streaming your evacuation is becoming the new scourge of aviation safety nowadays.
Aug 6, 2019, 2:39 am
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I suppose the inevitable observation here is that:
1) Passengers felt they were put at risk by the response of the cabin crew
2) Everyone got out safely; the reactions of the cabin crew proved correct and the passengers were incorrect
3) Some passengers made very bad judgements (rushing forward from the back, some taking bags out)
Conclusion is really that cabin crew reactions were more trustworthy than the passengers'.
1) Passengers felt they were put at risk by the response of the cabin crew
2) Everyone got out safely; the reactions of the cabin crew proved correct and the passengers were incorrect
3) Some passengers made very bad judgements (rushing forward from the back, some taking bags out)
Conclusion is really that cabin crew reactions were more trustworthy than the passengers'.
Aug 6, 2019, 2:44 am
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Aug 6, 2019, 2:45 am
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Glad to hear all are safe after this incident. Great work by the crew in getting everyone off as quickly as they did.
Hindsight is an interesting thing... I flew on G-MEDN just last Friday and did notice an unusual odour during engine start-up & taxi (so much so I closed my gasper), but thought little more of it at the time. Nothing you could do of course, but does give one pause for thought.
Hindsight is an interesting thing... I flew on G-MEDN just last Friday and did notice an unusual odour during engine start-up & taxi (so much so I closed my gasper), but thought little more of it at the time. Nothing you could do of course, but does give one pause for thought.
Aug 6, 2019, 2:49 am
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Aug 6, 2019, 2:55 am
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I completely understand those points. I think I would have checked outside, listening for engine shutdown etc before doing it and it’s impossible to know unless you’re in that situation but I think my first instinct would be to get off the plane. If my children are beside me then I am definitely getting them off the plane. Ten minutes seems a long time and the pictures look quite bad.
Its all a bit hypothetical though as I wouldn’t know for sure how I’d react unless I was in that situation and it’s not a criticism of anyone that was.
I do agree with you about instinct and the 10 minutes. I would want to get off too! And I wasn’t meaning to criticise you either, it was just a couple of things to think about. People have to trust that we are trained fully. We know that some people may try that, that would be one of the things we would be watching for.