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Old Feb 15, 2019, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by kanderson1965
... The modern thinking is to tailor your fleet for maximum flexibility rather than type commonality...
I think that modern thinking is that your fleet is tailored to a balance of several factors, and while maximum flexibility is a major one, I would propose that type commonality is a player in that flexibility.

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Old Feb 15, 2019, 4:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin Jones
Only 8 tonnes compared to 23 tonnes on B777-300. Must be a significant factor in the economics.
With BA’s (relatively) low density A380s, is 8 tonnes really correct?
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Old Feb 15, 2019, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by airsurfer
For comparison: a bus carrying say, 40 passengers still has one engine and not more, it is just larger than an automobile engine carrying 5 passengers.
I'm quite intrigued at the audience this analogy was designed to help.
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Old Feb 15, 2019, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by chris1922Mk2
Why doesn't BA serve JFK with an A380, as other airlines do ? Does it not make sense as such a popular route ? Or does BA prefer frequency over many passengers in fewer flights. It's clearly not a distance thing, what with BOS being such a relatively short flight time.
JFK-LHR is ideally suited to 4/5x A380s a night
LHR-JFK is ideally suited to 14x B788s every hour from 6am to 8pm

If Airplanes were made of lego/duplo and combinable... the answer is obvious. Given they aren't, BA/AA opt for having flights every ~90 minutes LHR-JFK then having many smaller planes flying JFK-LHR every 10-20 minutes at peak times. By contrast, AF serve the (much smaller) PAR-NYC market with a few A380s/77Ws a day
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 3:20 am
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Only days after Glasgow Airport started installation of A380 airbridges!
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 3:53 am
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Originally Posted by GGla
Only days after Glasgow Airport started installation of A380 airbridges!
As has been said, Emirates are not going to stop flying the A380 overnight. There's at least another 15 years life in the A380.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 4:02 am
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Oh I know. Just thought it was ironic timing...
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 4:55 am
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WHY BRITISH AIRWAYS COULD BE THE AIRBUS A380'S SAVIOUR:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...81691.html?amp


”The A380 is on its last legs,” one media outlet reported after this week’s news that Airbus is to stop making the double-decker plane. Well, even though the last A380 will roll off the production line in 2021, reports of its imminent extinction are premature. There is plenty more life in the old plane yet...

BA may even find that Gatwick is a good home for some A380s. Its long-haul fleet at the Sussex airport is all-Boeing 777, which does not give it much flexibility. And with Virgin Atlantic a constant thorn in the side on many routes, the A380 could help British Airways get an edge – as well as make the most of its slots at an airport that is ever-more crowded.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 am
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Originally Posted by lost_in_translation
Yep. Might not be the most beautiful aeroplane in the skies but an absolute joy to fly on. The idea that the 777, which is a dog of an aircraft from a passenger perspective, was decided to be a better choice by so many airlines is sad in the extreme.
Unfortunately sentimentality has no place in business, the 777 is the better aircraft for those that matter.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by TedToToe

With BA’s (relatively) low density A380s, is 8 tonnes really correct?
Info from Emirates website www.skycargo.com

BA tends to use the A380 on multidaily riutes so that the 777 or 747 can pick up the cargo
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by kanderson1965
...the 777 is the better aircraft for those that matter.
Those being?
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by richardwft
Those being?
Airline accountants obviously.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by Palmer
WHY BRITISH AIRWAYS COULD BE THE AIRBUS A380'S SAVIOUR:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...81691.html?amp

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I read the article and laughed. The reason why BA use the 777 at Gatwick and not other long haul types is because it fits the demands of capacity, economics and the physical capabilities and logistics of the destinations it serves best.

First generation A380's are overweight against spec and are heavier than the later models meaning a payload trade off between cargo passengers and fuel. That's the primary reason the second hand market is poor. Nobody wants to invest in a donkey. Except Hi-Fly it seems.

Typical output from Simon Calder.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith
Airline accountants obviously.
Correct.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith
Airline accountants.....
I see, are they jam today or jam tomorrow business strategists?
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