IAG Capital Markets Day 2018
Nov 2, 2018, 7:45 am
#61
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: United Kingdom
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Is that actually possible? (I don't know, but it seems unlikely). If Wikipedia is to believed then the A350 interior width is about 12cm more than the 787, and the 787 is already felt by many to be pretty cramped in its 9 across config and really more suited to 8 across.
Nov 2, 2018, 8:02 am
#63
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 305
Interesting and slightly unexpected -- I had assumed (at least) an 8-seat cabin given that this is a high-payload, long haul frame. Wouldn't surprise me if they fly it to destinations in rotation with the 77W. E.g. CX fly a mixture of J-only and J/F configurations to LHR and the arrangement seems to work quite well.
I don't think the A350 was ever destined for East Coast TATL crossings. The 787-10 is probably the long-term successor to JFK.
I don't think the A350 was ever destined for East Coast TATL crossings. The 787-10 is probably the long-term successor to JFK.
Nov 2, 2018, 8:22 am
#64
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 6,349
Soon you will be saying BA is downsizing or removing F cabins due to some myth on FT too?
What you see as a myth is commercial reality I'm afraid. They have said it themselves. Mileage, cheap upgrades etc and a handful of full fare passengers are not what pays the bills.
What you see as a myth is commercial reality I'm afraid. They have said it themselves. Mileage, cheap upgrades etc and a handful of full fare passengers are not what pays the bills.
Nov 2, 2018, 8:31 am
#65
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 410
Is that actually possible? (I don't know, but it seems unlikely). If Wikipedia is to believed then the A350 interior width is about 12cm more than the 787, and the 787 is already felt by many to be pretty cramped in its 9 across config and really more suited to 8 across.
IAG wants to have maximum compatibility for the future. If one day demand is weak in UK, you send some spare planes to IB and they can operate them almost the next day. Same in the opposite direction.
Nov 2, 2018, 8:39 am
#66
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Arizona
Programs: BA (GGL G4L), AA (Gold), HH (Diamond); Marriott (Gold)
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I'm also still annoyed that IAG thinks that Aer Lingus should even earn BAEC tier points (I would be fine with that if they don't want to join One World). Aer Lingus has a reasonable business class cabin but without offering tier point opportunities, it means I pretty much never fly them.
Nov 2, 2018, 8:42 am
#67
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 516
Assuming it stays 3-3-3, Hopefully they also develop a seat that gives WT passengers the benefit of that extra few cms, rather than lifting the current one from the 787, which is presumably the cheaper thing to do? As a broad shouldered person, with nothing against economy in certain situations, this is what has rendered the 787 WT useless to me.
Nov 2, 2018, 8:49 am
#69
Join Date: Oct 2004
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 1,009
Thanks for sharing this, very interestring. Good to see improvements are coming, although at a slower pace I wanted them to (especially the new CW seat...).
surprised to see no explicit mention to lounge improvements at LHR, I think T5 needs some serious (albeit not radical) improvement.
surprised to see no explicit mention to lounge improvements at LHR, I think T5 needs some serious (albeit not radical) improvement.
Nov 2, 2018, 9:10 am
#73
Join Date: Apr 2016
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 157
Pretty much one of the main value propositions of BAEC today for me is buying CW tickets but often finding my way into F through the use of jokers, standard avios/GUF, or op-ups. The aspiration of something a bit better is what keeps a lot of people motivated towards focusing their efforts on a single airline or group.
Nov 2, 2018, 9:11 am
#74
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Location: London
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Nevertheless, stand by for the inevitable wave of complaints on FT about that evil BA making it increasingly difficult to get award seats in F.
Nov 2, 2018, 10:01 am
#75
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LHR, LGW
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IF the new CW seat was a Q-Suite-esque variant on the A350 and put in behind the current F cabin product, I imagine no one would want (should they realise) to be sat in F with a Qsuite type product in the business cabin. So this maybe a tact to avoid damaging F, so go for no F and 3 class config with an awesome suite/product in CW!
Or as others have suggested it could simply be put in more CW new seats in to ensure best ROI, even if its not a Qsuite-esque type product. Therefore keep some aircraft with F cabins and current newish refurbed CW seat/IFE cabin layout/product together , like the super high J's and the refitted LGW 777's.
We have a while to wait and endless posts of debate before we all really know.
P.S Virgin Atlantic have announced that there will be a new seat for their A350's next year!
Or as others have suggested it could simply be put in more CW new seats in to ensure best ROI, even if its not a Qsuite-esque type product. Therefore keep some aircraft with F cabins and current newish refurbed CW seat/IFE cabin layout/product together , like the super high J's and the refitted LGW 777's.
We have a while to wait and endless posts of debate before we all really know.
P.S Virgin Atlantic have announced that there will be a new seat for their A350's next year!