Some people have no manners (pt 3.)
Feb 11, 2019, 3:18 pm
#136
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I do not allow myself to be bothered by what others do when flying after many years. What bothers me more would be dirty planes, or people snapping pics of other people without their permission.
Also find it amusing the numerous comments about the class of the pictured people - how such people are 'common' - whatever is wrong with being common I do not know.
Also find it amusing the numerous comments about the class of the pictured people - how such people are 'common' - whatever is wrong with being common I do not know.
It may be public transport, however that does not abrogate people of a responsibility to do the right (or clean) thing.
Feb 11, 2019, 5:33 pm
#138
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[QUOTE=Cheny;29397833]You ought to check out "Passengershaming" on instagram. It's a FA who posts pictures of passengers who have no manners, at their best behaviour. Some are amusing whilst also shocking.
If you don't have instagram just google it, you will still be able to view the images.[/QUOTe
Pax have been off loaded taking on board photos, should FAs be allowed ?
I thought people who have class, do not talk of other people's class , at least not in their absence. !
If you don't have instagram just google it, you will still be able to view the images.[/QUOTe
Pax have been off loaded taking on board photos, should FAs be allowed ?
I do not allow myself to be bothered by what others do when flying after many years. What bothers me more would be dirty planes, or people snapping pics of other people without their permission.
Also find it amusing the numerous comments about the class of the pictured people - how such people are 'common' - whatever is wrong with being common I do not know.
Also find it amusing the numerous comments about the class of the pictured people - how such people are 'common' - whatever is wrong with being common I do not know.
Feb 12, 2019, 2:22 am
#141
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I just use the ignore function on this forum like I do in real life for irritants. Few and far between on this excellent forum thankfully.
Feb 12, 2019, 2:46 am
#142
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The issue of whether we can take pics when on an aircraft or at an airport is not 100% clear IMO. There are a number of (often conflicting) issues...
Firstly, in the UK, it is permitted in almost all circumstances to take pics of people in a public space unless it is explicitly prohibited... we do not need the subjects permission. However, if the images are to be used commercially then it is wise to get a model release however, in a genuinely public space, a model release is not a legal requirement and no one can prevent anyone taking pics of anyone in a public space. Even the taking pics of kids is permitted under the law but if you are taking an unreasonable or unhealthy interest then you may be considered a nuisance or may come under the interest of police for other reasons... not to mention having to confront angry parents! If asked to stop, then stop but that goes for adults too - it is all about respect! See Devon & Cornwall Police - Taking photographs in a public space.
Airports and airplanes are privately owned and so although the public have access it is considered private property and so the airport or airline can restrict photography if they so wish. The problem is that my searching online cannot find any published policies on photography on their property. I have found references to some but no links and no officially published restrictions. See this article from 2015 (I don't think things have changed much tbh) : WHAT AIRLINES AREN’T TELLING YOU ABOUT THEIR PHOTOGRAPHY POLICY–UNTIL IT’S TOO LATE So, IMO, common sense applies.
Under privacy laws it might be considered an invasion of privacy if you take pics of someone where it is considered that they should have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Do people have a reasonable expectation of privacy when travelling on an airplane? IMO, they don't but that is only my opinion. If you can find a definitive answer please let us know.
So anyone who wants to use the law or regulations to justify photography in airplanes is always going to be on very dodgy ground. The airline/airport owner can make the rules... we must follow them even if they are not publicly published. IMO though there are a few basic guidelines we should all apply here...
Now, pics of seats, seating arrangements (even with passengers in pic), food, drink and views outside IMO should be OK. In theory, they might breach airline rules but I can't see anything wrong in them... again, just my opinion!
One thing is certain IMO... airlines should have a publicly accessible policy... most don't.
Firstly, in the UK, it is permitted in almost all circumstances to take pics of people in a public space unless it is explicitly prohibited... we do not need the subjects permission. However, if the images are to be used commercially then it is wise to get a model release however, in a genuinely public space, a model release is not a legal requirement and no one can prevent anyone taking pics of anyone in a public space. Even the taking pics of kids is permitted under the law but if you are taking an unreasonable or unhealthy interest then you may be considered a nuisance or may come under the interest of police for other reasons... not to mention having to confront angry parents! If asked to stop, then stop but that goes for adults too - it is all about respect! See Devon & Cornwall Police - Taking photographs in a public space.
Airports and airplanes are privately owned and so although the public have access it is considered private property and so the airport or airline can restrict photography if they so wish. The problem is that my searching online cannot find any published policies on photography on their property. I have found references to some but no links and no officially published restrictions. See this article from 2015 (I don't think things have changed much tbh) : WHAT AIRLINES AREN’T TELLING YOU ABOUT THEIR PHOTOGRAPHY POLICY–UNTIL IT’S TOO LATE So, IMO, common sense applies.
Under privacy laws it might be considered an invasion of privacy if you take pics of someone where it is considered that they should have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Do people have a reasonable expectation of privacy when travelling on an airplane? IMO, they don't but that is only my opinion. If you can find a definitive answer please let us know.
So anyone who wants to use the law or regulations to justify photography in airplanes is always going to be on very dodgy ground. The airline/airport owner can make the rules... we must follow them even if they are not publicly published. IMO though there are a few basic guidelines we should all apply here...
- Obey the crew! If the CC ask you to stop then stop. The cabin crew have almost absolute power to ask passengers to do almost anything and we must obey them absolutely. People have been banned from flying by disobeying a CC command.
- Does the person you are snapping have the expectation of privacy? That is very much open to interpretation IMO on a plane. My wife says that your seat is a private space... my personal view is that on any public transport (including airplanes) that I would not expect to have privacy but YMMV. But I do believe that an aircraft cabin is a contained environment and so whether you believe it or not, many people will consider it private. Regardless of the rights and wrongs... a bop on the nose from a disgruntled passenger won't hurt any less if you are in the right!
- Do T&Cs or Conditions of Carriage apply? Some airlines have policies over taking pics on their aircraft but they aren't very available online AFAICS. The bottom line here is that we are on private property... if the airline/airport don't want us to do it then we shouldn't do it. We could get banned if we don't comply! See United Airlines Kicks Travel Writer Off Of Plane For Photographing His Seat
- I would expect crew's privacy should be respected and IMO they have the expectation not to be photographed at work and especially not to have photos of them put up on the internet anywhere. If you want to photograph them you can always ask their permission.
Now, pics of seats, seating arrangements (even with passengers in pic), food, drink and views outside IMO should be OK. In theory, they might breach airline rules but I can't see anything wrong in them... again, just my opinion!
One thing is certain IMO... airlines should have a publicly accessible policy... most don't.
Last edited by snaxmuppet; Feb 12, 2019 at 3:07 am
Feb 12, 2019, 3:06 am
#143
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[QUOTE=HMPS;30766689]
In this particular case the person in question is a former flight attendant and disgruntled passengers send images to her to be put online.
In regards whether FAs should be allowed to take pictures - it will depend on the airline but I suppose it'll be that pictures are acceptable as long as they are appropriate and do not include passengers unless they gave their permission
You ought to check out "Passengershaming" on instagram. It's a FA who posts pictures of passengers who have no manners, at their best behaviour. Some are amusing whilst also shocking.
If you don't have instagram just google it, you will still be able to view the images.[/QUOTe
Pax have been off loaded taking on board photos, should FAs be allowed ?
If you don't have instagram just google it, you will still be able to view the images.[/QUOTe
Pax have been off loaded taking on board photos, should FAs be allowed ?
In regards whether FAs should be allowed to take pictures - it will depend on the airline but I suppose it'll be that pictures are acceptable as long as they are appropriate and do not include passengers unless they gave their permission
Mar 5, 2019, 3:18 pm
#144
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I have now seen the photo for myself. She appears to have been flying United - not that had anything to do with her conduct. No, her feet do not look sweaty but that is neither here nor there. I agree wholeheartedly that she is an excellent actress. That she is uncouth is a sad state of affairs, that she sees fit to plaster this all over the internet is a sorry state of affairs. How common!
Mar 5, 2019, 5:22 pm
#145
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During the First Gulf War, there were lots of empty J seats in Club. These were the old pre-flatbed seats. Sometimes I had 4 seats to myself. As usual, I took off my shoes and socks and put on BA's free socks.
Then, my feet were free to go wherever I could get them. Between the two seats in front was sometimes comfy.
Upstairs on SQ, window seat, feet up on the luggage bins of the seat in front, was normally the most comfy.
Note - my feet were not smelly.
Then, my feet were free to go wherever I could get them. Between the two seats in front was sometimes comfy.
Upstairs on SQ, window seat, feet up on the luggage bins of the seat in front, was normally the most comfy.
Note - my feet were not smelly.
Nice touch I guess.
and back to the topic - I am not sure if the bulkhead is cleaner than a shoe when that shoe has been wiped with GC carpets.
Mar 5, 2019, 9:44 pm
#146
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I didn't mention paddling barefoot*** in the lavatory. I was discussing taking perfectly clean (and healthy) feet out of perfectly clean shoes and putting them on a footrest or a chaise longue.
***This wouldn't be a problem if people didn't insist in peeing all over the floor, and by people, I mean men!
I always carry nyplex gloves and disinfectant wipes in my pockets. I don't just clean my seat area. The bathroom is always cleaner when I leave than when I enter.
***This wouldn't be a problem if people didn't insist in peeing all over the floor, and by people, I mean men!
I always carry nyplex gloves and disinfectant wipes in my pockets. I don't just clean my seat area. The bathroom is always cleaner when I leave than when I enter.Lol. Sorry! But it's understandable you don't know the pratfalls of having a penis and using a lav on a plane! In turbulence!!
But back on topic-- keep your feet out of my face zone, please wear something if walking the plane or terminal (not for me but your own health) and don't smell, and I'm ok!
Mar 6, 2019, 12:21 am
#147
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Lol. Sorry! But it's understandable you don't know the pratfalls of having a penis and using a lav on a plane! In turbulence!!
But back on topic-- keep your feet out of my face zone, please wear something if walking the plane or terminal (not for me but your own health) and don't smell, and I'm ok!
Mar 6, 2019, 5:29 am
#148
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If we did that all the time, we would never be able to write our names in the snow.
Mar 6, 2019, 7:16 pm
#149
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Lol. Sorry! But it's understandable you don't know the pratfalls of having a penis and using a lav on a plane! In turbulence!!
But back on topic-- keep your feet out of my face zone, please wear something if walking the plane or terminal (not for me but your own health) and don't smell, and I'm ok!
We aim to keep this toilet clean
So you please aim too
Because it is shorter than what you claim
Also the next guy walking in maybe barefoot !
Mar 6, 2019, 8:31 pm
#150
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One of the first things they tell you is "sit down to do the business" in case you're hit by a wake or a swell (along with the threat, "You mess up, you clean. You block, you unblock"!).
I assume they take that on board (I can only assume as I am not equipped with said appendage).