Hand baggage-only fares have turned people into monsters
#106
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: London
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Why not just reverse the pricing model and make hand baggage fares more expensive that checked baggage fares? (Or offer a discount for checking in a bag)?
I suspect many of those who bully their way into the overheads would also bite your arm off for a fiver (and might spend it on BoB!)
I suspect many of those who bully their way into the overheads would also bite your arm off for a fiver (and might spend it on BoB!)
Base fare excludes luggage
1 small item of hand luggage free (i.e. that fits under seat in front, and must be put under seat in front)
Checked baggage £x per bag (up to 23/32kg etc)
1 piece of hand luggage in overhead locker £2x
Job done :-)
#107
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: London Town
Programs: BA Silver, AF Silver
Posts: 465
We've all developed a sense of entitlement where carry-on baggage is concerned. Does anyone else remember the aftermath of the shoe bomber incident, where no cabin baggage at all was allowed except for essential mediation, wallets and travel documents? We all survived it. For sure there are times when some of us genuinely 'need' the time saving that HBO travel affords us, but the reality is that waiting for checked baggage is a minor irritant that has no bearing on most of our lives in most circumstances. As an example, I flew LHR-AMS this past Saturday on a totally full flight. As a Silver I was prepared to resist any attempts to prise my bag away, but was disheartened to see a huge pile of trolley bags with tickets on them behind where the gate agents were standing. Luckily, I waltzed up the Priority lane past a huge line of leisure pax, and heard the magic beep indicating an opup to J when going through the gate. No request for my bag, and plenty of luggage space in the bins at the front of the bus. Having had my bag dipped before at LCY I'm always wary of checking items at the gate, but luckily it's yet to impact me. The journey home, when I was in Y, was similarly busy but no attempt to part pax from their luggage. Although I was the second to board and therefore had first dibs on the bins above my seat right behind the curtain.
#108
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The airline and airport experiences for passengers have become so lousy in various ways that it had to inevitably result in an increase in passenger anxiety and aggression. Things the government does in the name of security, that the airlines do in the name of cost cutting and revenue enhancement, and that airports do in the name of making more money; that leads to more of this kind of mess than would have otherwise been the case.
I remember flying with my regular cabin baggage on AA and BA from Europe to the US in the days and weeks right after the failed shoe-bomber incident -- even on the AA CDG-MIA flight.
I remember flying with my regular cabin baggage on AA and BA from Europe to the US in the days and weeks right after the failed shoe-bomber incident -- even on the AA CDG-MIA flight.
#109
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Manchester, UK
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The airline and airport experiences for passengers have become so lousy in various ways that it had to inevitably result in an increase in passenger anxiety and aggression. Things the government does in the name of security, that the airlines do in the name of cost cutting and revenue enhancement, and that airports do in the name of making more money; that leads to more of this kind of mess than would have otherwise been the case.
I remember flying with my regular cabin baggage on AA and BA from Europe to the US in the days and weeks right after the failed shoe-bomber incident -- even on the AA CDG-MIA flight.
I remember flying with my regular cabin baggage on AA and BA from Europe to the US in the days and weeks right after the failed shoe-bomber incident -- even on the AA CDG-MIA flight.
#110
Join Date: May 2016
Location: London/Frankfurt
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The idiot like me who put the coat into checked baggage on a short haul when connecting onto long haul can just freeze - it's my own choice to check in my coat! (Which actually is a rather bad idea in case of a misconnect anyway, but I still do it from time to time as long as the conditions aren't extreme).
Only had missing luggage in warm places. One day, it will bite.
#111
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Provincie Antwerpen, Vlaanderen, België
Programs: MUCCI Gold
Posts: 2,512
The airline and airport experiences for passengers have become so lousy in various ways that it had to inevitably result in an increase in passenger anxiety and aggression. Things the government does in the name of security, that the airlines do in the name of cost cutting and revenue enhancement, and that airports do in the name of making more money; that leads to more of this kind of mess than would have otherwise been the case.
Also, if we want to look at where the sense of entitlement is being created, the first place we need to start looking is at frequent flyer programmes themselves.
#112
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: London Town
Programs: BA Silver, AF Silver
Posts: 465
The airline and airport experiences for passengers have become so lousy in various ways that it had to inevitably result in an increase in passenger anxiety and aggression. Things the government does in the name of security, that the airlines do in the name of cost cutting and revenue enhancement, and that airports do in the name of making more money; that leads to more of this kind of mess than would have otherwise been the case.
I remember flying with my regular cabin baggage on AA and BA from Europe to the US in the days and weeks right after the failed shoe-bomber incident -- even on the AA CDG-MIA flight.
I remember flying with my regular cabin baggage on AA and BA from Europe to the US in the days and weeks right after the failed shoe-bomber incident -- even on the AA CDG-MIA flight.
#114
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#115
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: LONDON
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It's actually a perfect device for keeping travellers confused and suggestable - and getting them into the shops. Adding to the extra hand baggage no doubt.
#116
Join Date: Aug 2012
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#118
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: England
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 1,006
I did this last year, did a day return LHR-NCL to visit my parents and all I took with me was wallet, phone, spectacles and paperback book. Amazingly liberating.
#119
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: England
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 1,006
I have been on four flights with 3 different airlines in the last 7 days, none of them BA. None of the hand baggage issues in this thread were observed, nor the boarding scrum.
One of the flights was with Norwegian from Madrid to Gatwick, everyone lined up politely and gate staff policed the luggage putting oversized bags in the hold. One chap initially refused to allow his large case to be taken from him and was told, "then you won't be getting on this flight" he soon changed his mind.
One of the flights was with Norwegian from Madrid to Gatwick, everyone lined up politely and gate staff policed the luggage putting oversized bags in the hold. One chap initially refused to allow his large case to be taken from him and was told, "then you won't be getting on this flight" he soon changed his mind.
#120
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
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Having said that, posters telling people how they should feel , or how they choose to spend their time, is not the answer to the question. In my case, not wishing to be waiting at carousels 30-50 x a year, especially when my company is often paying top whack for short-notice business travel, is not going to predispose me to an argument that because you don't see a short wait as a an inconvenience, I shouldn't either, no matter how often or how loudly you make that point. I could have been the guy they modelled George Clooney's character on in "Up In The Air". So, I thank you for making space for my perfectly conforming hand luggage; in return, I wont be "that guy" holding you up at security screening because i have to go through the scanner 3 times because I have a phone in my pocket and a water bottle in my carry-on and a belt buckle the size of Texas....^