Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Aug 4, 2017, 12:20 am
#3316
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Aug 4, 2017, 12:33 am
#3318
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Given the length of the action strikers may find their mind focussed after 12 weeks since the action began...
From the Government website
"After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute."
Let's hope both sides see sense before such time.
From the Government website
"After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute."
Let's hope both sides see sense before such time.
Aug 4, 2017, 12:47 am
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Aug 4, 2017, 1:04 am
#3320
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Folks, a number of posts which contained personal attacks have been removed this morning. It is totally unacceptable to bring personal prejudices and feelings from a work environment into this forum by using it as a vehicle to attack others, and it ceases immediately, please.
We would ask the community not to respond to such posts, but to use the RBP button (red exclamation mark) to alert the Mod team. We will take action on clear attacks such as we saw yesterday.
Here is a reminder of Rule 12, one which we all agree to abide by as a condition of our membership:
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We would ask the community not to respond to such posts, but to use the RBP button (red exclamation mark) to alert the Mod team. We will take action on clear attacks such as we saw yesterday.
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Please post in a friendly, respectful, welcoming manner. 'Snarky,' unfriendly posts will not be allowed. If you don't have something constructive to contribute to a thread, please do not post.
Unhelpful posts, such as "Do a search" or those that merely comment on the worthiness of others' posts or threads are neither friendly nor welcoming and will not be allowed. If you can't be helpful or contribute substantive content to a thread, please refrain from posting.
12.2 Avoid Getting Personal
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Aug 4, 2017, 2:23 am
#3321
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While BA continue to benchmark MF salaries against the hospitality industry in general (including food service and hotels etc.) it's unlikely that will solve the problem. Benchmarking against other flight attendant salaries would be fair, but of course expensive.
Aug 4, 2017, 2:42 am
#3322
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Unite were far too keen to get their strikes and blew a once on a career opportunity.
Aug 4, 2017, 3:42 am
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If anyone wants to do more than just say they support the brave MF crew here is where you can donate!
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Aug 4, 2017, 5:20 am
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If anyone wants to do more than just say they support the brave MF crew here is where you can donate!
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Done!
Last edited by Prospero; Aug 5, 2017 at 4:59 pm
Aug 4, 2017, 9:00 am
#3325
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Wow LCSinTexas, you're very trusting.
I'm not casting aspersions on CIHY, but to transfer money to an account someone has posted on an internet forum is very brave, unless you know CIHY personally.
I'm sure, however, that you independently visited Unite's website to verify that those were the correct details.
But then I thought it was brave for anyone to post sort code/account number of any bank account online.
Let's hope it doesn't get into the wrong hands.
I'm not casting aspersions on CIHY, but to transfer money to an account someone has posted on an internet forum is very brave, unless you know CIHY personally.
I'm sure, however, that you independently visited Unite's website to verify that those were the correct details.
But then I thought it was brave for anyone to post sort code/account number of any bank account online.
Let's hope it doesn't get into the wrong hands.
Aug 4, 2017, 9:11 am
#3326
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Wow LCSinTexas, you're very trusting.
I'm not casting aspersions on CIHY, but to transfer money to an account someone has posted on an internet forum is very brave, unless you know CIHY personally.
I'm sure, however, that you independently visited Unite's website to verify that those were the correct details.
But then I thought it was brave for anyone to post sort code/account number of any bank account online.
Let's hope it doesn't get into the wrong hands.
I'm not casting aspersions on CIHY, but to transfer money to an account someone has posted on an internet forum is very brave, unless you know CIHY personally.
I'm sure, however, that you independently visited Unite's website to verify that those were the correct details.
But then I thought it was brave for anyone to post sort code/account number of any bank account online.
Let's hope it doesn't get into the wrong hands.
Aug 4, 2017, 9:13 am
#3327
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I've been tracking the recent cancellations of the JFK-LGW flight as we are booked on it next week.
Just received an email and SMS (!) that our JFK-LGW on Friday 11 Aug has been cancelled and we are rebooked into LHR with an onward connection to our final destination (better flight times too than via LGW!).
Just a shame that when I click on "accept" on the BA website, I receive an error.
Just received an email and SMS (!) that our JFK-LGW on Friday 11 Aug has been cancelled and we are rebooked into LHR with an onward connection to our final destination (better flight times too than via LGW!).
Just a shame that when I click on "accept" on the BA website, I receive an error.
Aug 4, 2017, 9:23 am
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Aug 4, 2017, 9:41 am
#3329
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If you want another source, it's on the Unite website.
http://www.unitetheunion.org/how-we-...poverty-wages/
Aug 4, 2017, 11:50 am
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Having looked at the Unite website could someone explain what the bonuses that Unite claims BA have 'robbed' from striking workers are. I understand travel perks but not the bonus issue.