Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jul 19, 2017, 10:55 am
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Jul 19, 2017, 11:11 am
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I also doubt the strike payments are covering all of their regular wage.
It's really down to both side's determination.
Jul 19, 2017, 11:31 am
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There was a strike fund formed - so the strikers won't be earning 0 during the strike - but still, at 44 days out of 47 - that's a long time and the fund won't be infinite.
I also doubt the strike payments are covering all of their regular wage.
It's really down to both side's determination.
I also doubt the strike payments are covering all of their regular wage.
It's really down to both side's determination.
Jul 19, 2017, 11:43 am
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Jul 19, 2017, 11:52 am
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Welcome to FlyerTalk, jonteedrama it's nice to see you here. What is your itinerary, which airports are you flying from and through?
Jul 19, 2017, 11:53 am
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1) Long Haul flights have been the least affected by the strikes. Those that were worst affected (long haul) were those heading west to the middle east.
2) IF the flight is affected - then there have to be spaces on other flights for you to be moved to. The problem being that the airline has to accommodate 300-odd people onto other planes where there might only be a few seats for sale.
3) You're not going to know if/when there'll be problems until very close to the departure day - so don't worry about it - look at previous and assume it'll be fine.
Oh - and welcome to FT!
Jul 19, 2017, 11:54 am
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Jul 19, 2017, 12:25 pm
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Jul 19, 2017, 12:31 pm
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- In 2010 BA were losing a shed load of money, all of the cabin crew were in dispute and there was overwhelming support for strike action (90% ish?)
- In 2017 BA are cash rich and less than 10% of cabin crew support the strike
If BA could hold out for well over a year in scenario 1, what makes anyone think that they are going to cave in after 6 months of scenario 2? For me further strike action is like turkeys voting for Christmas.
Jul 19, 2017, 12:36 pm
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Difficult to believe that BA haven't run every scenario through their computer and don't have a contingency plan for every eventuality. Maybe just lease a few more planes from QR?
Jul 19, 2017, 1:10 pm
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Jul 19, 2017, 1:23 pm
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They are not likely to hit the 900 hour limit so quickly as they are limited to 100hrs per month and 270hrs/3 months. I am not sure how much cummulative effect there will be as presumably individuals have different start dates for the measuring period. I don't think all crew will have their anniversary date in the same month.