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Why can't I find this ba.com fare on ITA Matrix?

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Old Sep 20, 16, 9:48 am
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Why can't I find this ba.com fare on ITA Matrix?

Trying to book LHR-IAD/BOS-LHR in WTP. Out 16 Nov back 30 Nov. Nonstops.

ba.com gives a 833.45 fare in T class. I had guessed this part of sale ending tomorrow night but may be wrong. I'd love to find this fare in Matrix to get the rules but can't find anything less than 1287.45 for same flights in WTP which is explained as an "shoulder season midweek premium economy instant purchase fare" in the rules, but without, in quick scan there, any purchase by date, thought I assume there is one.

Basic question: why doesn't Matrix reveal the "good" ba.com fare.

Thanks, NTFM
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Old Sep 20, 16, 9:56 am
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I suspect it is this one QLX4S4T1/DIF4.

There seem to be a number of special WTP fares which are only available via ba.com.

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Departing LHR on 16/11/16 for IAD
Fare basis code QLX4S4T1/DIF4
Flying BA
Routing via North Atlantic

Rule Category                           Rule Text

ELIGIBILITY                             UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
                                          VALID FOR ADULT. THIS FARE IS VALID FOR A SPECIFIED
                                          ACCOUNT CODE. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
                                          OR - FOR ADULT. THIS FARE IS VALID FOR A SPECIFIED ACCOUNT
                                               CODE. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
                                          OR - FOR ADULT.
DAY/TIME                                FROM/TO UNITED KINGDOM FOR MIDWEEK -LX TYPE FARES
                                          FROM UNITED KINGDOM -
                                            PERMITTED MON THROUGH WED ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
SEASONALITY                             FOR -L TYPE FARES WITH FOOTNOTE 6E
                                          PERMITTED 29OCT 16 THROUGH 12DEC 16 OR 25DEC 16 THROUGH
                                          29MAR 17 ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
FLIGHT APPLICATION                      BETWEEN EUROPE AND AREA 1
                                          THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                HA FLIGHTS 1900 THROUGH 9999.
                                          AND
                                          THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN PUERTO
                                          RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS AND THE UNITED STATES/CANADA ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY AS FLIGHT
                                                ANY B6 FLIGHT
                                                ANY HA FLIGHT
                                                ANY WS FLIGHT.
                                          AND
                                          THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA SEN/STN
                                          AIRPORTS ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BE FLIGHT.
                                          AND
                                          THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY
                                          IN COMBINATION WITH
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AB
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BE
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BT
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HN
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IG
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY US
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY S7
                                                ANY AB FLIGHT
                                                ANY AF FLIGHT
                                                ANY AY FLIGHT
                                                ANY AT FLIGHT
                                                ANY BE FLIGHT
                                                ANY BT FLIGHT
                                                ANY HG FLIGHT
                                                ANY IG FLIGHT
                                                ANY JP FLIGHT
                                                ANY JU FLIGHT
                                                ANY KK FLIGHT
                                                ANY KM FLIGHT
                                                ANY OU FLIGHT
                                                ANY RO FLIGHT
                                                ANY OV FLIGHT
                                                ANY S7 FLIGHT
                                                ANY TU FLIGHT
                                                ANY US FLIGHT
                                                ANY 6E FLIGHT.
                                          AND
                                          IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE
                                              THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT
                                                ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
                                                ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AB
                                                ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
                                                ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY HG
                                                ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB
                                                ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY S7
                                                ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
                                                ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AB
                                                ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
                                                ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY HG
                                                ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB
                                                ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY S7
                                                ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AB
                                                ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
                                                ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
                                                ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY HG
                                                ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB
                                                ANY HG FLIGHT OPERATED BY HG
                                                ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY S7
                                                ANY AT FLIGHT OPERATED BY AT
                                                ANY BE FLIGHT OPERATED BY BE
                                                ANY BT FLIGHT OPERATED BY BT
                                                ANY IG FLIGHT OPERATED BY IG
                                                ANY JP FLIGHT OPERATED BY JP
                                                ANY JU FLIGHT OPERATED BY JU
                                                ANY KK FLIGHT OPERATED BY KK
                                                ANY KM FLIGHT OPERATED BY KM
                                                ANY OU FLIGHT OPERATED BY OU
                                                ANY OV FLIGHT OPERATED BY OV
                                                ANY RO FLIGHT OPERATED BY RO
                                                ANY TU FLIGHT OPERATED BY TU
                                                ANY FB FLIGHT OPERATED BY FB
                                                ANY 9B FLIGHT.
                                          AND
                                          IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN CANADA
                                              THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT
                                                ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
                                                ANY WS FLIGHT OPERATED BY WS.
                                          AND
                                          IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN HAWAII
                                              THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT
                                                ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
                                                ANY HA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA.
                                          AND
                                          IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN THE UNITED
                                          STATES
                                              THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT
                                                ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
                                                ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
                                                ANY HA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA.
                                          AND
                                          IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN CANADA AND
                                          THE UNITED STATES
                                              THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT
                                                ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
                                          AND
                                          IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN HAWAII AND
                                          CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./ALASKA
                                              THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT
                                                ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
                                                ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS.
                                          AND
                                          THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
                                          TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON
                                              ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                                ANY BA FLIGHT.
ADVANCE RES/TICKETING                   UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED   NOTE - RULE JB05 IN IPRG
                                        APPLIES
                                        FOR -X4 TYPE FARES
                                          RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 14 DAYS
                                          BEFORE DEPARTURE.
                                          TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER
                                          RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE
                                          WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
                                                 NOTE -
                                                  DUE TO TTL ROBOT PROCESS DIFFERENCES MAY EXIST
                                                  BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL ROBOT
                                                  REMARK.
                                                  THE INFORMATION BY SSR IN THE PNR PREVAILS.
MINIMUM STAY                            FOR ROUND TRIP FARES
                                          TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
                                          THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND
                                          TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
MAXIMUM STAY                            BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND THE UNITED STATES
                                          TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12
                                          MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS                               BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND AREA 1 FOR Q- TYPE FARES
                                          STOPOVERS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
TRANSFERS                               BETWEEN EUROPE AND AREA 1
                                          2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
                                              2 FREE ON AA/AB/AY/BA/HG/IB ONLY IN EUROPE IN EACH
                                               DIRECTION.
                                          AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
                                                    1 FREE BETWEEN AA/BA/IB AND B6 IN BOS/JFK IN
                                                     EACH DIRECTION
                                                    1 FREE BETWEEN AA/BA/IB AND AS IN LAX/PDX/SEA IN
                                                     EACH DIRECTION
                                                    1 FREE BETWEEN AA/BA/IB AND WS IN CANADA IN EACH
                                                     DIRECTION
                                                    1 FREE BETWEEN AA/BA/IB AND HA IN HAWAII IN EACH
                                                     DIRECTION
                                                    2 FREE ON AA/BA/IB ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES/
                                                     CANADA IN EACH DIRECTION
                                                  FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
                                                   EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
                                                   COMPONENT.
PERMITTED COMBINATIONS                  UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
                                           DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED.
                                           END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED
                                           APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN
                                           MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
                                          OPEN JAWS
                                            FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH BA
                                            FARES
                                            -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS.
                                             A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
                                             PERMITTED.
                                             MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
                                             MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
                                           PROVIDED -
                                             THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
                                             -BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3
                                              -WITHIN AREA 1 OR WITHIN AREA 2 OR WITHIN AREA 3
                                               COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER BA IN ANY
                                              RULE IN TARIFF
                                              AATBAR  - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC
                                              OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF
                                              FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA
                                              FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC OR WITH FARES IN ANY RULE
                                              IN TARIFF
                                              FBRA13P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3 EXCEPT US/CA
                                              FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC OR WITH FARES IN ANY RULE
                                              IN TARIFF
                                              FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3
                                              IPRA    - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC
                                              IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              IPRSAA3 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              SA2BAR  - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              SA3BAR  - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              TAFPBAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.
                                          ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
                                            FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH BA
                                            FARES
                                            -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
                                            -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
                                             A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
                                             PERMITTED.
                                           PROVIDED -
                                             COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER BA IN ANY
                                              RULE IN TARIFF
                                              AATBAR  - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC
                                              OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF
                                              FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA
                                              FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC OR WITH FARES IN ANY RULE
                                              IN TARIFF
                                              FBRA13P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3 EXCEPT US/CA
                                              FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC OR WITH FARES IN ANY RULE
                                              IN TARIFF
                                              FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3
                                              IPRA    - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC
                                              IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              IPRSAA3 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              SA2BAR  - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              SA3BAR  - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3 VIA
                                                        ATLANTIC
                                              TAFPBAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.
SURCHARGES                              BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND THE UNITED STATES
                                          IF INFANT UNDER 02 WITHOUT A SEAT.
                                            THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR TRAVEL.
                                          A SURCHARGE OF GBP 29.00 WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE
                                          FARE FOR TRAVEL.
                                            PROVIDED TRAVEL IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
                                              BA FLIGHT 2273.
                                        BETWEEN NORTH AMERICA AND UNITED KINGDOM
                                          THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
                                          TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON BA OR IB.
                                          OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON BA OR AA.
                                          OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON BA OR AS.
                                          OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON BA OR QF.
                                          OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON BA OR AY.
                                          FOR TICKETING ON/AFTER 01APR 14
                                            THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
                                            TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON BA OR US.
                                            THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR TRAVEL.
                                          AND - ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM -
                                            A SURCHARGE OF GBP 119.50 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO
                                            THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL.
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS                     UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
                                          VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 27AUG 13.
SALES RESTRICTIONS                       FROM/TO UNITED KINGDOM
                                          RESERVATIONS MUST BE MADE ON/BEFORE 21SEP 16.
PENALTIES                               BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND AREA 1   NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES
                                        NOT APPLY
                                          CANCELLATIONS
                                            ANY TIME
                                              TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
                                                 NOTE -
                                                  FARE COMPONENT IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGERS
                                                  TRAVELLING COMPANIONS.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
                                                  REFUNDABLE FARES
                                                  1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
                                                  COMPONENT IS REFUNDED.
                                                  2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
                                                  COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
                                                  3. WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
                                                  CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
                                                  COMPONENTS.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
                                                  THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
                                                  IMPOSED CHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
                                                  REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  -------CANCELLATION REPRICING CONDITIONS------
                                                  FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
                                                  FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
                                                  THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
                                                  AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
                                                  CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
                                                  REFUND.
                                                  FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY BE REPRICED USING
                                                  ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN PROVIDED
                                                  THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
                                                  ORIGINAL.
                                                  PARTIALLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE REPRICED
                                                  USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.
                                          CHANGES
                                            ANY TIME
                                              CHARGE GBP 150.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
                                                 NOTE -
                                                  WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TICKETS CHANGED IN THE US
                                                  ANY PENALTY FEE MUST BE COLLECTED VIA AN EMD.
                                                  REFER TO SPEEDBIRDCLUB.COM OR BATRAVELTRADE.COM
                                                  AND YOUR GDS FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
                                                  ----------------------------------------------
                                                  CHARGE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION - PER PERSON FOR
                                                  ALL PASSENGER TYPES.
                                                  INFANTS WITHOUT A SEAT - NO CHARGE.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT/ROUTING/BOOKING CODE
                                                  CHANGE. NEW RESERVATION AND REISSUE/REVALIDATION
                                                  MUST BE MADE ON THE SAME DAY.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  REISSUE MUST BE MADE THE SAME DAY AS CHANGE OF
                                                  RESERVATION BUT NO LATER THAN SCHEDULED DEPARTURE
                                                  TIME OF FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.
                                                  OTHERWISE THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
                                                  REFUND IF APPLICABLE.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
                                                  HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
                                                  WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                   --- REPRICING CONDITIONS ---
                                                  HIGHER PREMIUM ECONOMY FARES MAY BE USED FOR
                                                  REPRICING CHANGED AND UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
                                                  SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY AT TIME OF CHANGE.
                                                  A. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THE FIRST
                                                  FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
                                                  RE-PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
                                                  DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
                                                  B. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN CHANGES ARE
                                                  TO BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT
                                                  AND RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE ITINERARY MUST BE
                                                  RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
                                                  PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
                                                  EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED -
                                                  WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
                                                  C. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO
                                                  CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER
                                                  FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
                                                  RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
                                                  PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
                                                  EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
                                                  WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
                                                  D. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE ITINERARY MUST
                                                  BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON
                                                  THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  1. IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW TICKET MAY
                                                  BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND MUST
                                                  COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING
                                                  APPLIED.
                                                  2. IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW
                                                  TICKET MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND
                                                  MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE
                                                  BEING APPLIED.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
                                                  DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ANY APPLICABLE
                                                  CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
                                                  THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES AND NO CREDIT OF THE
                                                  RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
                                                  REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  NO-SHOWS FOR A FLIGHT ARE CONSIDERED A
                                                  CANCELLATION AFTER DEPARTURE AND CHANGES ARE NOT
                                                  PERMITTED.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS                  UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
                                          THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
                                          CONNECTIONS.
                                          AND - THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY
                                                FOR STOPOVERS.
TICKET ENDORSEMENT                      UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
                                          THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED -
                                          467107/L/BA-IB ONLY - AND - NON-REF/NON-END - IN THE
                                          ENDORSEMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS                      UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED   NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT
                                        APPLY
                                          ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
                                                TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
                                            MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT
                                          OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
                                                 FARE.
                                                     TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
                                                 MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT
                                          OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF
                                                 THE FARE.
                                                     TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
                                                 MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS                NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
AGENT DISCOUNTS                         NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS                UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
                                          THIS FARE MUST NOT BE USED AS THE HIGH OR THE LOW FARE
                                          WHEN CALCULATING A DIFFERENTIAL. THIS FARE MUST NOT BE
                                          USED AS THE THROUGH FARE WHEN PRICING A FARE COMPONENT
                                          WITH A DIFFERENTIAL.
FARE BY RULE                            BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND THE UNITED STATES
                                          ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM -
                                            FARE BY RULE CATEGORY PROVISIONS EXIST
                                            OR - FARE BY RULE CATEGORY PROVISIONS EXIST
VOLUNTARY CHANGES                       BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND AREA 1 FOR Q- TYPE FARES
                                          IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
                                           BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
                                            CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
                                            THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
                                             CHARGE GBP 150.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
                                             COMPONENTS - DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR INFANTS W/O
                                             SEAT AND
                                              REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
                                               PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                               1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT
                                               2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
                                               BE DOMESTIC
                                               3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
                                               4. ANY CARRIER Q- FARE FAMILY IS USED
                                               5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
                                               6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
                                               DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
                                              OR -
                                              REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
                                               PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                               1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT
                                               2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
                                               BE DOMESTIC
                                               3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
                                               4. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
                                               5. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
                                               TKT
                                               6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
                                               7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
                                               DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
                                              OR -
                                              REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
                                               PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                               1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
                                               BE DOMESTIC
                                               2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
                                               3. ANY CARRIER Q- FARE FAMILY IS USED
                                               4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE
                                               OF PRICING UNIT
                                              OR -
                                              REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
                                               PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                               1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
                                               BE DOMESTIC
                                               2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
                                               3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
                                               4. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
                                               TKT
                                               5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE
                                               OF PRICING UNIT
                                           WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
                                           ADD-COLLECT
                                           ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
                                          OR -
                                           BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
                                            CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING AMT WILL
                                            APPLY TO NEW TKT.
                                          OR -
                                           AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
                                            CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
                                            THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
                                             CHARGE GBP 150.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
                                             COMPONENTS - DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR INFANTS W/O
                                             SEAT AND
                                              REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
                                               PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                               1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
                                               BE DOMESTIC
                                               2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
                                               3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
                                               4. ANY CARRIER Q- FARE FAMILY IS USED
                                               5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
                                               6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
                                               DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
                                              OR -
                                              REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
                                               PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                               1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
                                               BE DOMESTIC
                                               2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
                                               3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
                                               4. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
                                               5. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
                                               TKT
                                               6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
                                               7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
                                               DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
                                           WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
                                           ADD-COLLECT
                                           ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
                                          OR -
                                           AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
                                            CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING AMT WILL
                                            APPLY TO NEW TKT.
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Mm, I think that is the outbound fare but inbound one I am not sure about.
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I've had this quite a lot recently, especially for WT+

There's also some interesting ones bookable via BA Holidays that aren't on Matrix, Google Flights etc. I booked one the other day for 920 LHR-SJC return, including a decent car rental (and, if my calculations are correct, yielding something like 35k Avios with the 3x promotion & holidays bonus)
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Just for clarity, but can't help with regards to Matrix as never used it.

15. SALES RESTRICTIONS
FROM/TO UNITED KINGDOM
RESERVATIONS MUST BE MADE ON/BEFORE 21SEP 16.
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Thanks everyone. Point being some fares are not on Matrix - which I didn't know. Doh, I guess this is what some mean by "published" fare.
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Point being some fares are not on Matrix - which I didn't know. Doh, I guess this is what some mean by "published" fare.
The current crop of DIF fares appear to be restricted to sale on ba.com. Not even the BA call centre can get them, which has caused some angst here. They are published because you can see them in an EF listing and get the fare rules for them, but their distribution is restricted to specified channels. That will be why ITA won't price them.
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Thanks Globaliser for these links. If I may, DIF?
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Hi,

Its a special Economy fare with an upgrade to WTP. Rule is the same both directions

LAST TKT DTE 24SEP16 - SEE ADV PURCHASE
------------------------<NEGO>------------------------------
AL FLGT BK T DATE TIME FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
LON
WAS BA 217 T T 16NOV 1115 QLX4S4T1/DIF4 16NOV16NOV 2P
BOS S U R F A C E
LON BA 212 T T 30NOV 1755 QLX8Y4T1/DIF4 30NOV30NOV 2P

GBP 415.00 16NOV16LON BA WAS294.03/-BOS BA LON248.29
NUC542.32END ROE0.765204
GBP 183.00YQ XT GBP 41.65UB GBP 4.20YC GBP 13.60US GBP
GBP 146.00GB 13.60US GBP 3.00XA GBP 5.40XY GBP 4.30AY
GBP 89.25XT GBP 3.50XF BOS4.50
GBP 833.25
NO CHARGEABLE ANCILLARY SERVICE
CARD PAYMENT FEES UP TO GBP 5.00 MAY APPLY
CAT35 NEGOTIATED FARES *F*


1 - PSGR P1 ADT RULES DISPLAY
FARE COMPONENT 1 ADT LONWAS BA QLX4S4T1
FCL: QLX4S4T1 TRF: 864 RULE: DIF4 BK: T*
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPX-INSTANT PURCHASE EXCURSION
PE.PENALTIES
FARE BY RULE
BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND AREA 1 NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES
NOT APPLY

CANCELLATIONS

ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
NOTE -
FARE COMPONENT IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
----------------------------------------------
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGERS
TRAVELLING COMPANIONS.
----------------------------------------------
WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
REFUNDABLE FARES
1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT IS REFUNDED.
2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
3. WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
COMPONENTS.
----------------------------------------------
REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
IMPOSED CHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
----------------------------------------------
REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
----------------------------------------------
ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
----------------------------------------------
TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
----------------------------------------------
-------CANCELLATION REPRICING CONDITIONS------
FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
REFUND.
FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY BE REPRICED USING
ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN PROVIDED
THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
ORIGINAL.
PARTIALLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE REPRICED
USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.

CHANGES

ANY TIME
CHARGE GBP 150.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
NOTE -
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TICKETS CHANGED IN THE US
ANY PENALTY FEE MUST BE COLLECTED VIA AN EMD.
PAGE 3/ 7
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REFER TO SPEEDBIRDCLUB.COM OR BATRAVELTRADE.COM
AND YOUR GDS FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
----------------------------------------------
CHARGE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION - PER PERSON FOR
ALL PASSENGER TYPES.
INFANTS WITHOUT A SEAT - NO CHARGE.
--------------------------------------------------
A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT/ROUTING/BOOKING CODE
CHANGE. NEW RESERVATION AND REISSUE/REVALIDATION
MUST BE MADE ON THE SAME DAY.
--------------------------------------------------
REISSUE MUST BE MADE THE SAME DAY AS CHANGE OF
RESERVATION BUT NO LATER THAN SCHEDULED DEPARTURE
TIME OF FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.
OTHERWISE THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
REFUND IF APPLICABLE.
--------------------------------------------------
WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
--------------------------------------------------
--- REPRICING CONDITIONS ---
HIGHER PREMIUM ECONOMY FARES MAY BE USED FOR
REPRICING CHANGED AND UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY AT TIME OF CHANGE.
A. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THE FIRST
FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
RE-PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
B. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN CHANGES ARE
TO BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT
AND RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE ITINERARY MUST BE
RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED -
WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
C. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO
CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER
FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
D. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE ITINERARY MUST
BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON
THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
--------------------------------------------------
1. IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW TICKET MAY
BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND MUST
COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING
APPLIED.
2. IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW
TICKET MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND
MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE
BEING APPLIED.
--------------------------------------------------
WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ANY APPLICABLE
CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
--------------------------------------------------
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES AND NO CREDIT OF THE
RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.
--------------------------------------------------
ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
--------------------------------------------------
NO-SHOWS FOR A FLIGHT ARE CONSIDERED A
CANCELLATION AFTER DEPARTURE AND CHANGES ARE NOT
PERMITTED.
--------------------------------------------------
TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
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PS I use Amadeus and they are a pain to price. They don't get picked up as WTP when you ask for a price
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Originally Posted by NoTiersForMe View Post
If I may, DIF?
Dual Inventory Fare.

I think that the way they work is like this: Normally, you would expect a T class (WT+) fare to have a fare basis code starting with the letter T, for example TLX8S4C1; normally, the first letter of the fare basis indicates the booking class into which the fare must book (at least on the main part of the journey).

However, KARFA quoted a fare basis QLX4S4T1/DIF4. If you were to see a fare basis of QLX4S4T1 on its own, you'd expect it to be a cheap economy fare booking into Q class (the second lowest booking class) - and if you look at a fare listing for your route (eg on ExpertFlyer) you should be able to see that fare listed.

However, QLX4S4T1/DIF4 is a fare that books into T class and therefore gets you seated in WT+. But it should only be valid if both Q class and T class seats are available on the flight - hence "Dual Inventory". If Q class is sold out on your flight, then it does not help if the flight is T9. To book in T class, you'd then have to pay a different (and higher) fare. For example, if the flight is T9 N9 Q0, you could book in T class using NLX4S4T1/DIF4 but not QLX4S4T1/DIF4.
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PS I use Amadeus and they are a pain to price. They don't get picked up as WTP when you ask for a price
Might that be because you're not allowed to sell them? AIUI, this crop of DIFs is for sale on ba.com only (not even by BA call centres).
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Might that be because you're not allowed to sell them? AIUI, this crop of DIFs is for sale on ba.com only (not even by BA call centres).
I am fine, we are a Specialist Partner (Marine and Groups) for BA and had communications regarding selling them. Basically fares are 200 each way to upgrade I believe
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I am fine, we are a Specialist Partner (Marine and Groups) for BA and had communications regarding selling them. Basically fares are 200 each way to upgrade I believe
200 each way to upgrade from WTP to CW?
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
200 each way to upgrade from WTP to CW?
Its the economy fare plus 200 to WTP... Sorry to get your hopes up!

We are seeing a lot of F class cheaper than J class fares. Worth checking if you a decent amount of advance purchase
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