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Old Jan 30, 2015, 2:57 am
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Get him on the Board of Directors I say.
He's already on the board of Heathrow Airport Ltd I seem to remember.
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 3:04 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
You must not have read the article.


A non-EU entity can hold, at most, 49% of a European airline (hence Etihad owns 49% of Alitalia; Delta owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic; etc)
Mea culpa - worse than that, I relied on The Guardian:
"The 9.99% stake is the maximum holding Qatar can currently buy under EU ownership rules"

As you point out with Delta's VS share, this is clearly not the case.
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 3:12 am
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Originally Posted by fuseli
Mea culpa - worse than that, I relied on The Guardian:
"The 9.99% stake is the maximum holding Qatar can currently buy under EU ownership rules"

As you point out with Delta's VS share, this is clearly not the case.
Indeed - even their headline reads: "Qatar Airways buys 10% of British Airways owner IAG".

They can't even work out that 10% is not 9.99%.
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 3:22 am
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Originally Posted by Jordan D
Indeed - even their headline reads: "Qatar Airways buys 10% of British Airways owner IAG".

They can't even work out that 10% is not 9.99%.
9.99% rounded to the nearest full number is 10%... While they clearly got their facts wrong on the ownership rules, it's wholly acceptable to round 9.99 to 10.
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 3:34 am
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Agreed, callum10000
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 3:38 am
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The FT rounded to 10% in their headline too. :-)

The 9.99% does suggest there's *some* cap, or threshold, they're coming in under, though. QR could find the price of an extra 0.01% by looking under an F seat. Anyone knows what happens at 10%?
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 3:47 am
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Originally Posted by flygod
Did IAG issue new shares, or was this stake bought on the market?

Seems weird there has not been much movement in the price if bought on the market?
The shares were bought on the market. Interesting the shares have been bought now when QR had the chance to buy Bankia's stake (for a much lower price!) a few years ago.
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 4:07 am
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Originally Posted by boutela
The FT rounded to 10% in their headline too. :-)

The 9.99% does suggest there's *some* cap, or threshold, they're coming in under, though. QR could find the price of an extra 0.01% by looking under an F seat. Anyone knows what happens at 10%?
A quick perusal of the City Takeover Code makes me think that they have stopped at 9.99% because if they acquired 10% and then made an offer for a significantly larger stake (to bring their holding up to maximum 49% they are allowed, for example) they would have to offer to buy that larger stake at the highest price paid to acquire any shares in the 10% stake. See Rule 11.1 of the Takeover Code. If they stop at 9.99% they can acquire another 40% at a lower price.
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
A strange time to swoop...when IAG is at or near an all-time peak price!
Indeed - maybe the expected purchase was already priced in. Today, just before the shareholder discount stops working, my IAG shares are exactly double my purchase price - in face the best performing shares in my portfolio - followed by Easyjet.

I might celebrate by crystallising my gain as I'll get no discount after the weekend...
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 4:58 am
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Originally Posted by callum9999
9.99% rounded to the nearest full number is 10%... While they clearly got their facts wrong on the ownership rules, it's wholly acceptable to round 9.99 to 10.
In fact, I can prove to you that 9.99% equals 10...

1/9 = 0.111...
9 * 1/9 = 9 * 0.111...
1 = 0.999...

or

x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
10x = 9 + 0.999...
10x = 9 + x
9x = 9
x = 1

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Old Jan 30, 2015, 5:07 am
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Originally Posted by Milnio87
Get him on the Board of Directors I say.
Is he an EU citizen??
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
In fact, I can prove to you that 9.99% equals 10...

1/9 = 0.111...
9 * 1/9 = 9 * 0.111...
1 = 0.999...

or

x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
10x = 9 + 0.999...
10x = 9 + x
9x = 9
x = 1

0.999... (where the 9s are recurring, or in other words the 9s go on forever) is exactly identical to 1 (by the succinct proof you gave). In fact "0.999..." is better seen as an alternative way of writing "1" rather than a separate number that happens to be the same as 1.

However, 0.99 is not equal to 0.999... and 9.99 is not equal to 9.99... .

Originally Posted by boutela
The FT rounded to 10% in their headline too. :-)

The 9.99% does suggest there's *some* cap, or threshold, they're coming in under, though. QR could find the price of an extra 0.01% by looking under an F seat. Anyone knows what happens at 10%?
It is unlawful for an EU airline to be under the control of a non-EU person or company. At 10% the EU Commission might start to get interested in what kind of influence QR is having on IAG and begin an investigation.
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 5:14 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas
However, 0.99 is not equal to 0.999... and 9.99 is not equal to 9.99... .
I just felt like spouting some school maths proof
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Old Jan 30, 2015, 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by Flying Squirrel
Probably bad news for IAG staff
“If you did not have unions you wouldn't have this jobless problem in the western world… It is caused by unions making companies and institutions uncompetitive and bringing them to a position of not being efficient,” Akbar Al Baker
Isn't he the villain in Alladin ?

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Old Jan 30, 2015, 6:40 am
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I wonder if they bought my 200 shares I sold yesterday? I only bought them for the discount (at £2 per share) so quite happy with the nice profit (but not happy that they took away the discount).
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