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Old Jun 17, 2014, 3:32 am
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A321 long haul
How many of these aircraft do BA have? Which routes do they fly ? And are they likely to continue until they can fly no more - or could they be converted into short haul?
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 3:42 am
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http://www.thebasource.com/airbusa321.html
http://ftdashboard.net/fleet/a321.htm

7 aircraft. Operate AMM, BEY, CAI, DME, GYD, TLV.

Of course they could be converted but I don't think there is any plan to.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 4:00 am
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They also operate the second day flight to DME and the Tuesday Night Flight but only from May to Oct.

Fine in CW, horrible n foodless in WT Worst Traveller
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 4:02 am
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Originally Posted by nux
http://www.thebasource.com/airbusa321.html
http://ftdashboard.net/fleet/a321.htm

7 aircraft. Operate AMM, BEY, CAI, GYD, TLV.

Of course they could be converted but I don't think there is any plan to.
Utilisation must be extremely low if they have 7 aircraft on 5, not overly long, routes?
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by Leavinglondon
Utilisation must be extremely low if they have 7 aircraft on 5, not overly long, routes?
They are also used to cover other shorthaul routes as needed. The second link shows their usage patterns.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 4:30 am
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Originally Posted by Behindthecurtain
They also operate the second day flight to DME and the Tuesday Night Flight but only from May to Oct.

Fine in CW, horrible n foodless in WT Worst Traveller
What makes the aircraft so bad in Y? The food offering is nothing to do with the aircraft (they are equipped for a full hot meal service) and the seat pitch is the same as the 777 with better entertainment.

I'd like to see a larger sub-fleet of CW/WT equipped A321s that can operate longer routes such as IST. BA's CE product simply isn't competitive against TK on that route and even less so when the 30" CE seats arrive.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 4:30 am
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LH A321 operation is a bit inconsistent at the moment but from W14/15 season it will operate as follows out of LHR:

T1

BA145 GYD 12345-7
BA147 AMM 1234567
BA149 BEY 1234567
BA155 CAI 1234567

T5

BA165 TLV 1234567
BA167 TLV -2-4--7
BA235 DME 1234567
BA237 DME 1234567
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by Behindthecurtain
They also operate the second day flight to DME and the Tuesday Night Flight but only from May to Oct.
The A321s are on the 2nd day flight AND every night flight after October.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 5:14 am
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I'd like to see a larger sub-fleet of CW/WT equipped A321s that can operate longer routes such as IST. BA's CE product simply isn't competitive against TK on that route and even less so when the 30" CE seats arrive.
I agree it would be great to see them on routes like IST. The problem is, once the new CE is fitted, the relative cost of moving a route from short-haul to mid-haul config will then be even greater than it is now. So it would need to deliver a very significant boost in revenue per seat to justify it. Here's hoping though!
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 5:14 am
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Originally Posted by Jetstreamer
What makes the aircraft so bad in Y? The food offering is nothing to do with the aircraft (they are equipped for a full hot meal service)
Not enough space to back-cater full meals on the A321, and local catering at DME discontinued with introduction of the longhaul fleet: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...hot-meals.html
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 7:00 am
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Not enough space to back-cater full meals on the A321, and local catering at DME discontinued with introduction of the longhaul fleet: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...hot-meals.html
I see, thanks. Best solution then would be to convert more A321 aircraft and then make DME all A321 with extra frequency and reintroduce local catering ex DME. Or just make DME a CE route like all the other European short haul routes (including some that are further afield than Moscow).
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 7:24 am
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Mid haul Club World is well worth checking out:

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Old Jun 17, 2014, 7:29 am
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Mid haul Club World is well worth checking out:

Have experienced this CW product several times on GYD and TBS routes and it's excellent - especially the individual seats. The WT cabin also looks nice - individual IFE etc and rarely full on GYD. It needs to be competitive on the GYD route as the competition - Azerbaijan Airlines have a very nice Business Class product on their 767's.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 9:05 am
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Must admit the Mid Haul CW cabin is great. With the British Embassy reopening in Tehran, how long before BA reopen the service with the Mid Haul fleet?
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 10:02 am
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We have been told numerous times by bosses at BA that 'mid-haul' is an area we have not fully reached our potential in, so I guess, watch this space!

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