Are the Avios.com/Ba.com eStores trying to rip you off?
#16
Join Date: Sep 1999
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PanGalactic - you are correct, it's run by a 3rd party company, and are the same one that Virgin Atlantic use whom I had the same troubles with when I was collecting their miles for a while.
It would be nice if they fixed it (I'm an IT guy myself so also find it frustrating), but it's been that way for so long it's untrue. I end up doing the same as you and noting things in my calendar, keeping receipts in a dedicated folder etc
It would be nice if they fixed it (I'm an IT guy myself so also find it frustrating), but it's been that way for so long it's untrue. I end up doing the same as you and noting things in my calendar, keeping receipts in a dedicated folder etc
#17
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Hampshire, UK
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 372
I mainly use the estore for ebay, most other retailers offer more cash than the miles are worth.
I have had 2 of around 30 transactions fail to produce avios/miles over the last year but the values mean't I didn't bother chasing. Especially as twice I have used other retailers when there were double miles promos on and both times the miles posted twice, then the double miles posted twice. So overall I am up.
I have had 2 of around 30 transactions fail to produce avios/miles over the last year but the values mean't I didn't bother chasing. Especially as twice I have used other retailers when there were double miles promos on and both times the miles posted twice, then the double miles posted twice. So overall I am up.
#18
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold, AA EXP
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I am a big fan of cashback sites but I very rarely use the BA e-store due to the return rates being rather poor and the tracking reliability too sketchy for me. I certainly don't have the inclination to spend the time creating folders or spreadsheets with reminders to review every transaction.
I find the rates at Topcashback and Quidco are much better and their tracking is more reliable. I think the BA e-store just works out at quite an expensive way to buy miles when there is a better cash alternative using other sites.
I find the rates at Topcashback and Quidco are much better and their tracking is more reliable. I think the BA e-store just works out at quite an expensive way to buy miles when there is a better cash alternative using other sites.
#19
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Location: UK
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I think it depends on the store.
John Lewis
Charles Tyrwhitt
PC World
All seem okay. It would appear others arent so good.
But I do agree they should all work. There are some things in life, made easier by computers, that should just work.. Please keep going, and name and shame the ones who are bad.
John Lewis
Charles Tyrwhitt
PC World
All seem okay. It would appear others arent so good.
But I do agree they should all work. There are some things in life, made easier by computers, that should just work.. Please keep going, and name and shame the ones who are bad.
#20
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I fully agree that as a service, it should work as advertised and all users should be credited the avios they are entitled to, with minimal effort required.
However, I look at this as follows. Unless it is a significant number of avios you are missing out on a month (i.e. more than 5k per month) it is not worth investing the time to chase the Avios for me.
How many avios are you not being credited?
However, I look at this as follows. Unless it is a significant number of avios you are missing out on a month (i.e. more than 5k per month) it is not worth investing the time to chase the Avios for me.
How many avios are you not being credited?
I'd say the 4 emails I had to send were less effort than it was to play "find the emerald" for 1,000 Avios.
#21
Join Date: Jan 2010
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But hey this is what FT is all about
#22
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Flying to London and back is less effort to you than clicking some buttons?
#23
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That said, it is a route to earn avios therefore a very worthy topic to be discussed on FT regardless of my (narrow-minded) views
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If I am flying anyway, then it is no extra hassle for me which is were most of us earn avios. Extra button clicks when shopping online (which I don't do that often) wouldn't give me much back. Coupled with the fact that I earn more avios than I could ever spend, it doesn't make sense for me.
That said, it is a route to earn avios therefore a very worthy topic to be discussed on FT regardless of my (narrow-minded) views
That said, it is a route to earn avios therefore a very worthy topic to be discussed on FT regardless of my (narrow-minded) views
If you can't spend them yourself, you could consider giving someone a nice surprise one day like George Clooney did in "Up in the air"
(watched this film for the first time yesterday btw, now I feel I understand some of the folks on here much better)
Last edited by PanGalactic; May 12, 2012 at 1:48 pm
#25
Join Date: Mar 2012
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My take on this is that whenever I buy stuff online (or paraphrasing your words: "when I am buying anyway") the fact that I bring up the merchant site via the BA e-store is really not an effort I'm even able to quantify, it must count amongst the most trivial of efforts imaginable. However, by doing this, I do collect additional avios. Seems silly to me to not use the facility that is there.
I tend to make good use of my avios, but if I had more than I could use, I could still give them away to friends who might not be so lucky.
#26
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 348
Pan Galactic
Thank you for posting your experiences with estore. I was trying to decide what to do, because I bought some itunes to top off some family accounts and waited the 40 days and of course they don't post. They never do and I have to fill out the credit form and then they email me and ask for the receipt and I send it and they post. But this time I sent in the receipt and got the following message.
Dear Dinise
Thank you for your recent email.
We are sorry but we are unable to credit the Avios you requested below to your account as we have been unable to verify the date order with iTunes following the proof of purchase information provided.
Please note that we require all of the following information to verify eStore order queries: your receipt should show the retailer, item purchased, merchandise price, date of purchase, and method of payment.
We look forward to being of assistance to you in the future and we hope you will continue to enjoy collecting and spending Avios awards.
Kind regards,
XXXXX XXXXX
BA Avios eStore Customer Support
Any suggestions on how to go forward? I buy the itunes and the reciept never posts the same day as I buy the itunes so it will never agree with the click date, but it has never been a problem in the past. I thank you in advance for any help with this matter.
Thank you for posting your experiences with estore. I was trying to decide what to do, because I bought some itunes to top off some family accounts and waited the 40 days and of course they don't post. They never do and I have to fill out the credit form and then they email me and ask for the receipt and I send it and they post. But this time I sent in the receipt and got the following message.
Dear Dinise
Thank you for your recent email.
We are sorry but we are unable to credit the Avios you requested below to your account as we have been unable to verify the date order with iTunes following the proof of purchase information provided.
Please note that we require all of the following information to verify eStore order queries: your receipt should show the retailer, item purchased, merchandise price, date of purchase, and method of payment.
We look forward to being of assistance to you in the future and we hope you will continue to enjoy collecting and spending Avios awards.
Kind regards,
XXXXX XXXXX
BA Avios eStore Customer Support
Any suggestions on how to go forward? I buy the itunes and the reciept never posts the same day as I buy the itunes so it will never agree with the click date, but it has never been a problem in the past. I thank you in advance for any help with this matter.
Last edited by Petrus; Nov 14, 2012 at 1:34 am Reason: removed name of agent
#28
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I am currently awaiting a similar amount to go into my account, if they don't I'll certainly chase. Saying that, after I had a rant my secretary offered to chase on my behalf. Tempted to take her up on the offer, but I just can't as its hardly in her Jon description.
#29
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I've found eBay particularly irritating because they (or BA / Avios) simply refuse to accept any queries about the points. If they post, great. If they doesn't, tough.
To be fair, usually they are pretty reliable. A problem came a few months ago when I made a few chunky purchases on the same day, delivered to different addresses. Perhaps because they were for the same amount, I only got the points for one.
And had no recourse.
To be fair, usually they are pretty reliable. A problem came a few months ago when I made a few chunky purchases on the same day, delivered to different addresses. Perhaps because they were for the same amount, I only got the points for one.
And had no recourse.