Has CW food been knowingly taken downmarket?
#31
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MA catering for short flights (up to 90 min) that I have flown on offered just a packet of chocolate wafers and a carton of awful orange drink (not "juice"). No choice of other drinks, it seemed.
I think BA catering is better than Malev, although the chocolate wafers are nice enough. By the way, I'm talking about economy class here. I have not flown on MA business class, so I can't comment on how it compares to BA.
I think BA catering is better than Malev, although the chocolate wafers are nice enough. By the way, I'm talking about economy class here. I have not flown on MA business class, so I can't comment on how it compares to BA.
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I have had some awful food in CW which was inedible - too dry/hard is the most common problem, although the duck I had earlier this month was just awful in every way (see my sum of the parts [rant] post).
I am happy that you enjoyed the beef and yorkies - I would have liked to try them myself, but wasn't given a choice (again, see my sum of the parts [rant] post).
Unlike some posters here, I don't eat (or bragg about eating) in Michelin starred restaurants regularly (only once ever that I can recall), and am normally quite happy with normal food, as long as it is tasty, of a reasonable consistency, and filling.
My comment was simply that BA's OW partners generally provide a much, much better standard of food than BA.
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Nevertheless, the OP's question is about the standard falling and whether that has been done knowingly.
Just to ask a question - Was there any significance in the menu cover changing from Blue to White ?
Were the specifications/standards changed then or is that a red herring (baked in a cheese sauce) ?
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In the past I've sometimes found the food "OK" and little more. I can vaguely recall being disappointed in some chicken dishes and the over use of cheese sauces, etc. Maybe it's beef the caterers do well as I've had an equally enjoyable braised beef on long haul CW ex-LGW (and that's different caterers). Funny really as I'm more a chicken girl normally
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Thank you - in fairness it's a very long time since I flew long haul with any of the OW partners so I have nothing to compare to.
In the past I've sometimes found the food "OK" and little more. I can vaguely recall being disappointed in some chicken dishes and the over use of cheese sauces, etc. Maybe it's beef the caterers do well as I've had an equally enjoyable braised beef on long haul CW ex-LGW (and that's different caterers). Funny really as I'm more a chicken girl normally
In the past I've sometimes found the food "OK" and little more. I can vaguely recall being disappointed in some chicken dishes and the over use of cheese sauces, etc. Maybe it's beef the caterers do well as I've had an equally enjoyable braised beef on long haul CW ex-LGW (and that's different caterers). Funny really as I'm more a chicken girl normally
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But I'm not overkeen on the breakfast ex-LGW in CE. Find the bacon and scrambled eggs far too salty. The croissants can be soggy sometimes too.
Oh and I seem to recall seeing a pic of BBB on a recent trip. His plate was clean and I think he'd had the roast beef too!!
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I think one of the problems with BA catering in premium class nowadays is that they often look, feel and unfortunately taste like a better presented economy class meal with with added side dishes or added better puddings.
For instance, curries and anything 'stewed' can be made very cheaply and easily in bulk. It does not have a 'premium' feel to it. Those dishes can be made with very cheap ingredients and still taste quite OK, because the beef, for instance, is cooked to such an extent that it falls apart, regardless of how tough it would have been if it had been eaten as a steak.
Whereas if they served a fillet steak, the beef has to be of good quality, or it is nearly impossible to eat. So serving a good portion of fillet steak on board will give a better 'premium' feel to it.
Some of the BA meals actually taste quite nice. I recently had a fish dish on CE that was surprisingly nice. However, some dishes, for instance, even fish pie that is popular, and butter chicken, stewed beef etc does not have the premium feel to it, and in fact they are basically what we could call "basic" food that could be served in economy class.
There has to be a bigger catering differentiation from economy class. That is not to say that economy class catering should be degraded! The premium class catering has to be upgraded.
If they are to serve "basic" food, they should be consistently very good, but I believe any airline should serve a little more "premium" ingredient in business class. Short haul business class, beyond the lack of 'middle seat passenger', often offers insufficient product differentiation to those of us with lounge access. In this context, "premium" ingredient being "not the cheap cuts of meat".
To put it simply, if I am served what I am served on many BA CW/CE flights in a basic pub, I'd find them "acceptable". But some are not even "acceptable", although some are "nice". I would also consider them generally "acceptable" if I am served them at a cheap restaurant. However, I have not recently had any meal on BA CW/CE that I would consider acceptable if I am served it in a mid-range restaurants. I think premium cabin catering should be at least at a level that you consider "acceptable" if you are served in a mid-range restaurant.
I put "acceptable" in quotation marks because I am aware of limitations of in-flight cooking and pre-prepared state of the food, so I am giving it a slack for these - I give in-flight catering about 20% inflated marks to those I apply to restaurants.
I do not expect gourmet catering, but CW/CE food should not be better-presented economy class food. The economy class food in most cases to me are just 'stomach fillers'. For CW/CE, food should be part of the premium experience. BA's premium catering is not 'terrible' but in many cases it is just not good enough for premium classes.
There are ways of cooking very nice, premium meals without spending a huge amount of money on premium ingredients as well. It's down to imagination, efficiency, and productivity.
For instance, curries and anything 'stewed' can be made very cheaply and easily in bulk. It does not have a 'premium' feel to it. Those dishes can be made with very cheap ingredients and still taste quite OK, because the beef, for instance, is cooked to such an extent that it falls apart, regardless of how tough it would have been if it had been eaten as a steak.
Whereas if they served a fillet steak, the beef has to be of good quality, or it is nearly impossible to eat. So serving a good portion of fillet steak on board will give a better 'premium' feel to it.
Some of the BA meals actually taste quite nice. I recently had a fish dish on CE that was surprisingly nice. However, some dishes, for instance, even fish pie that is popular, and butter chicken, stewed beef etc does not have the premium feel to it, and in fact they are basically what we could call "basic" food that could be served in economy class.
There has to be a bigger catering differentiation from economy class. That is not to say that economy class catering should be degraded! The premium class catering has to be upgraded.
If they are to serve "basic" food, they should be consistently very good, but I believe any airline should serve a little more "premium" ingredient in business class. Short haul business class, beyond the lack of 'middle seat passenger', often offers insufficient product differentiation to those of us with lounge access. In this context, "premium" ingredient being "not the cheap cuts of meat".
To put it simply, if I am served what I am served on many BA CW/CE flights in a basic pub, I'd find them "acceptable". But some are not even "acceptable", although some are "nice". I would also consider them generally "acceptable" if I am served them at a cheap restaurant. However, I have not recently had any meal on BA CW/CE that I would consider acceptable if I am served it in a mid-range restaurants. I think premium cabin catering should be at least at a level that you consider "acceptable" if you are served in a mid-range restaurant.
I put "acceptable" in quotation marks because I am aware of limitations of in-flight cooking and pre-prepared state of the food, so I am giving it a slack for these - I give in-flight catering about 20% inflated marks to those I apply to restaurants.
I do not expect gourmet catering, but CW/CE food should not be better-presented economy class food. The economy class food in most cases to me are just 'stomach fillers'. For CW/CE, food should be part of the premium experience. BA's premium catering is not 'terrible' but in many cases it is just not good enough for premium classes.
There are ways of cooking very nice, premium meals without spending a huge amount of money on premium ingredients as well. It's down to imagination, efficiency, and productivity.
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Look at the increasing number threads on FT on the subject, and this would concur with my experience. I also happen to fly other carriers so can use them as a yard stick.
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I respectfully disagree. I suspect I have managed to fly on a fair few number more BA flights than you over the past couple of years and I have definitely noticed a gradual drop in quality.
Look at the increasing number threads on FT on the subject, and this would concur with my experience. I also happen to fly other carriers so can use them as a yard stick.
Look at the increasing number threads on FT on the subject, and this would concur with my experience. I also happen to fly other carriers so can use them as a yard stick.
J food is just economy food plated up.
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Apart from a general whinge and (as the Saint noted) a discursion into a list of Brazilian restaurants to reassure those who were worried I might be malnourished, I was posing a genuine question. I wonder if anyone actually has any hard information about whether BA has changed its catering contracts, decreased (in real or nominal terms) its spend per head or suchlike.
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The point is that should you compare BA food with other carrier's offering in similar cabins, it is rubbish at best. I'm well aware of what both LH and QF offer in their J cabins, and I consider BA inferior to both.
BA used to have some decent offerings. Since the big catering dispute, this appears to no longer be the case in all cabins. If WW, wants to bring back the magic of the premium carriers, and if he wants to have any chance of getting the airline back up there even in the dreaded SkyTrax ratings, he will need to improve catering.
If I had a magic wand to improve BA, I would probably target the following three core deficiencies.
1. Catering - quality in premium cabins and lack in Y
2. Ground staff (especially when things go wrong, I'm thinking of ticketing in particular)
3. Telephone experience - lack of 24 hours and general rubbish service
In general, what BA does right are both lounges and seats. MMB is also fantastic, but the rest of the website has lots of gremlins.
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Glad to hear that you have managed to make up your mind on two data points.
The point is that should you compare BA food with other carrier's offering in similar cabins, it is rubbish at best. I'm well aware of what both LH and QF offer in their J cabins, and I consider BA inferior to both..
The point is that should you compare BA food with other carrier's offering in similar cabins, it is rubbish at best. I'm well aware of what both LH and QF offer in their J cabins, and I consider BA inferior to both..
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