Newbie Question: Popular MR's ? Or go Swiss
Mar 22, 2009, 7:49 am
#61
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: London, England
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 3,772
You need to go to lufthansa.co.uk, log into your M&M account (create one if you haven't already got one), go to flight booking and select multi-city. I find the easiest way is to enter all 6 segments individually. Note that the 6 segment thing will only work (from my experience and the comments of others) by using GVA as the gateway to/from BCN. So your routing will need to be something like LON-ZRH-GVA-BCN-GVA-ZRH-LON. To do this with 6 segements you will need an over night stop somewhere, either BCN, GVA or ZRH. Max you can do in 1 day is 5. At the booking stage you can view a seat map and select seats.
Mar 22, 2009, 8:26 am
#62
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SIN 5 days out of 7
Programs: BD*G, A3*G, BA-S, Accor Gold, IHG Amb
Posts: 5,505
Note this original thread on the topic:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/bmi-d...ondon-too.html
You don't actually need a M&M account though - you can just use the 'muti-segment journey' page instead (link is below the normal booking form). Saves risking any miles going to the wrong place.
As mentioned above, the only six segment route that seems to be bookable at a nice price, is LON-ZRH-GVA GVA-BCN BCN-GVA GVA-ZRH-LON.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/bmi-d...ondon-too.html
You don't actually need a M&M account though - you can just use the 'muti-segment journey' page instead (link is below the normal booking form). Saves risking any miles going to the wrong place.
As mentioned above, the only six segment route that seems to be bookable at a nice price, is LON-ZRH-GVA GVA-BCN BCN-GVA GVA-ZRH-LON.
Mar 22, 2009, 8:30 am
#63
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold(OWE), QF LTG, MR Plat, IHG Spire, Hertz PC
Posts: 8,156
You need to go to lufthansa.co.uk, log into your M&M account (create one if you haven't already got one), go to flight booking and select multi-city. I find the easiest way is to enter all 6 segments individually. Note that the 6 segment thing will only work (from my experience and the comments of others) by using GVA as the gateway to/from BCN. So your routing will need to be something like LON-ZRH-GVA-BCN-GVA-ZRH-LON. To do this with 6 segements you will need an over night stop somewhere, either BCN, GVA or ZRH. Max you can do in 1 day is 5. At the booking stage you can view a seat map and select seats.
In our case, I'm not actually booking an MR as I want to go to BCN for a couple of days to catch up with friends. Just wanting to use the opportunity to see good friends and do an MR at the same time. (in my case, I don't need the miles, although my SO could do with putting a few in the bank)
Originally Posted by kchika[/QUOTE
Post #46?
Grr!! The LH website is pants, although Opodo, Expedia and Travelocity are worse as they don't appear to like putting together multi segment trips with 6 segments in total.
Mar 22, 2009, 8:36 am
#64
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SIN 5 days out of 7
Programs: BD*G, A3*G, BA-S, Accor Gold, IHG Amb
Posts: 5,505
I don't know what dates you're looking at but I've just found the following works:
Fri 3 Apr 17:15London, Heathrow 19:55Zurich LX325 3h05 Business (J)
Fri 3 Apr 20:35Zurich 21:20Geneva LX2816 Business (J)
Sat 4 Apr 07:10Geneva 08:30Barcelona LX1940 1h20 Business (J)
Mon 6 Apr 09:10Barcelona 10:45Geneva LX1941 1h35 Business (J)
Mon 6 Apr 18:55Geneva 19:45Zurich LX2815 3h10 Business (J)
Mon 6 Apr 20:25Zurich 21:05London, London City
229
Note that the fare initially shows as (C) during each segment selection and only reverts to (J) on the final page (when it also shows the price).
I've not been able to find any earlier flight on a Friday to price up so this might be the problem you're having?
Fri 3 Apr 17:15London, Heathrow 19:55Zurich LX325 3h05 Business (J)
Fri 3 Apr 20:35Zurich 21:20Geneva LX2816 Business (J)
Sat 4 Apr 07:10Geneva 08:30Barcelona LX1940 1h20 Business (J)
Mon 6 Apr 09:10Barcelona 10:45Geneva LX1941 1h35 Business (J)
Mon 6 Apr 18:55Geneva 19:45Zurich LX2815 3h10 Business (J)
Mon 6 Apr 20:25Zurich 21:05London, London City
229
Note that the fare initially shows as (C) during each segment selection and only reverts to (J) on the final page (when it also shows the price).
I've not been able to find any earlier flight on a Friday to price up so this might be the problem you're having?
Last edited by jbfield; Mar 22, 2009 at 8:42 am
Mar 22, 2009, 10:52 am
#65
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Mostly London area
Programs: I don't do status - I do benefits
Posts: 165
1) Go to the Lufthansa.com site (UK page)
a) select the Booking tab
b) select multi-segment journey (in How do you want to travel, near top of form)
2) a) Enter Flight 1 as LON to GVA
b) Enter Flight 2 as GVA to BCN
c) Enter flight 3 as BCN to GVA
d) Enter flight 4 as GVA to LON
e) select dates as appropriate
f) Select class as Business
3) Select flights, being careful to select LX flights (NOT!! LH flights)
a) select Lon-Gva via ZRH, and GVA-LOn via ZRH
b) select GVA - BCN direct, select BCN-GVA direct
example
Price
100.00 + 129.70(taxes) x 1 Adult = GBP 229.70
The bookings are certainly filling up, and on more and more flights it will warn you that there may not be availablity - so select another date or flight!
(I have just test-booked the example given above, while writing this message, so I know it can be done)
a) select the Booking tab
b) select multi-segment journey (in How do you want to travel, near top of form)
2) a) Enter Flight 1 as LON to GVA
b) Enter Flight 2 as GVA to BCN
c) Enter flight 3 as BCN to GVA
d) Enter flight 4 as GVA to LON
e) select dates as appropriate
f) Select class as Business
3) Select flights, being careful to select LX flights (NOT!! LH flights)
a) select Lon-Gva via ZRH, and GVA-LOn via ZRH
b) select GVA - BCN direct, select BCN-GVA direct
example
Sat 4 Apr 06:00London, Heathrow 08:40Zurich LX345 3h25 Business (J)
Sat 4 Apr 09:40Zurich 10:25Geneva LX2804 Business (J)
Sat 4 Apr 18:20Geneva 19:45Barcelona LX1946 1h25 Business (J)
Sun 5 Apr 09:10Barcelona 10:45Geneva LX1941 1h35 Business (J)
Sun 5 Apr 15:05Geneva 15:55Zurich LX2813 3h40 Business (J)
Sun 5 Apr 17:00Zurich 17:45London, Heathrow LX326 Business (J)
Sat 4 Apr 09:40Zurich 10:25Geneva LX2804 Business (J)
Sat 4 Apr 18:20Geneva 19:45Barcelona LX1946 1h25 Business (J)
Sun 5 Apr 09:10Barcelona 10:45Geneva LX1941 1h35 Business (J)
Sun 5 Apr 15:05Geneva 15:55Zurich LX2813 3h40 Business (J)
Sun 5 Apr 17:00Zurich 17:45London, Heathrow LX326 Business (J)
100.00 + 129.70(taxes) x 1 Adult = GBP 229.70
The bookings are certainly filling up, and on more and more flights it will warn you that there may not be availablity - so select another date or flight!
(I have just test-booked the example given above, while writing this message, so I know it can be done)
Last edited by Ivan Grozny; Mar 22, 2009 at 11:13 am
Mar 22, 2009, 12:01 pm
#66
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SIN 5 days out of 7
Programs: BD*G, A3*G, BA-S, Accor Gold, IHG Amb
Posts: 5,505
My quandry is whether I want to book a second of these and make a second trip to BCN...
230 7200 miles
or I wonder if there will be anymore bmi better for business promos?
128 6400 miles
230 7200 miles
or I wonder if there will be anymore bmi better for business promos?
128 6400 miles
Last edited by jbfield; Mar 22, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Mar 22, 2009, 4:18 pm
#67
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold(OWE), QF LTG, MR Plat, IHG Spire, Hertz PC
Posts: 8,156
Found the solution!
Sadly because of POS (point of sale issues), you cannot just pick up segment by segment easily as availability from one origin/destination is different to another. In our case, you need to ensure you know all availability based on complete route and sale point city. Hopefully this makes sense to the less geeky of you out there.
The way we ended up getting the JCRAZYUK fare but we had to do the following:
1. Log into Expert Flyer
2. Put in LON/BCN as start/end routes and use GVA/ZRH/BSL interchangeably and in different orders as connection routes and ensure the following:
a. 2 connections as minimum
b. don't interline
c. limit to show only J class (remembering that JC means there is no availability and looking sector by sector does not work due to the limitations discussed above)
3. Once you pick the routes, then use LH.com to pick routes individually as stated by jbfield
4. LH will then price up accordingly (but sting you with LH vs LX charges which sadly are slightly higher).
In our case, we paid 230 each (100 airfare + 130 in taxes/surchages) which I think is very reasonable.
Hope this helps other looking for these fares.
Sadly because of POS (point of sale issues), you cannot just pick up segment by segment easily as availability from one origin/destination is different to another. In our case, you need to ensure you know all availability based on complete route and sale point city. Hopefully this makes sense to the less geeky of you out there.
The way we ended up getting the JCRAZYUK fare but we had to do the following:
1. Log into Expert Flyer
2. Put in LON/BCN as start/end routes and use GVA/ZRH/BSL interchangeably and in different orders as connection routes and ensure the following:
a. 2 connections as minimum
b. don't interline
c. limit to show only J class (remembering that JC means there is no availability and looking sector by sector does not work due to the limitations discussed above)
3. Once you pick the routes, then use LH.com to pick routes individually as stated by jbfield
4. LH will then price up accordingly (but sting you with LH vs LX charges which sadly are slightly higher).
In our case, we paid 230 each (100 airfare + 130 in taxes/surchages) which I think is very reasonable.
Hope this helps other looking for these fares.
Mar 23, 2009, 5:06 am
#68
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: North Devon, England
Programs: AY plat, EB gold, LH Sen
Posts: 408
Found the solution!
Sadly because of POS (point of sale issues), you cannot just pick up segment by segment easily as availability from one origin/destination is different to another. In our case, you need to ensure you know all availability based on complete route and sale point city. Hopefully this makes sense to the less geeky of you out there.
The way we ended up getting the JCRAZYUK fare but we had to do the following:
1. Log into Expert Flyer
2. Put in LON/BCN as start/end routes and use GVA/ZRH/BSL interchangeably and in different orders as connection routes and ensure the following:
a. 2 connections as minimum
b. don't interline
c. limit to show only J class (remembering that JC means there is no availability and looking sector by sector does not work due to the limitations discussed above)
3. Once you pick the routes, then use LH.com to pick routes individually as stated by jbfield
4. LH will then price up accordingly (but sting you with LH vs LX charges which sadly are slightly higher).
In our case, we paid 230 each (100 airfare + 130 in taxes/surchages) which I think is very reasonable.
Hope this helps other looking for these fares.
Sadly because of POS (point of sale issues), you cannot just pick up segment by segment easily as availability from one origin/destination is different to another. In our case, you need to ensure you know all availability based on complete route and sale point city. Hopefully this makes sense to the less geeky of you out there.
The way we ended up getting the JCRAZYUK fare but we had to do the following:
1. Log into Expert Flyer
2. Put in LON/BCN as start/end routes and use GVA/ZRH/BSL interchangeably and in different orders as connection routes and ensure the following:
a. 2 connections as minimum
b. don't interline
c. limit to show only J class (remembering that JC means there is no availability and looking sector by sector does not work due to the limitations discussed above)
3. Once you pick the routes, then use LH.com to pick routes individually as stated by jbfield
4. LH will then price up accordingly (but sting you with LH vs LX charges which sadly are slightly higher).
In our case, we paid 230 each (100 airfare + 130 in taxes/surchages) which I think is very reasonable.
Hope this helps other looking for these fares.
It is pretty straigt-forward using lh.com multi-segment, provided you know which exact flights to select, which can be achieved by ITA/Expertflyer/KVS etc.
I repeat, the VALID routing is only:
LON-ZRH-GVA-BCN
or
LON-ZRH-BSL-BCN
So you WILL have to follow that routing to get the JCRAZYUK fare on both outgoing and incoming legs. Any other combination will NOT work.
The EASIEST way is to use ITA to find the exact routing.
Try:
LON:: ZRH LX LX / f bc=j
BCN:: LX LX ZRH / f bc=j
put in the desired dep and rtn dates, pos=lon, tick the availability box, select cheapest available.
It will give you the results, click on details, click on show booking details and you will see the fare basis. It should be JCRAZY on both legs, then you know it is the cheapest fare possible. If not, then try with a different date.
Mar 23, 2009, 6:32 am
#69
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SIN 5 days out of 7
Programs: BD*G, A3*G, BA-S, Accor Gold, IHG Amb
Posts: 5,505
I think the difficulty came because Traveloguy was using ExpertFlyer to search for availability for each individual segment. If they searched for the farebasis on, for example, the segement GVA-BCN they'd get no result because the initial leg from LON was also required to be mentioned, as according to the farerules.
It makes sense to search for availability in this manner because it would be a lot quicker to see all possible options, however on this occasion, because of the specifics of the farerules, it wasn't possible.
It makes sense to search for availability in this manner because it would be a lot quicker to see all possible options, however on this occasion, because of the specifics of the farerules, it wasn't possible.
Mar 23, 2009, 5:04 pm
#71
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SIN 5 days out of 7
Programs: BD*G, A3*G, BA-S, Accor Gold, IHG Amb
Posts: 5,505
It would seem so.
Here's a copy of the fare rules.
Note the Sales restrictions:
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 24MAR 09.
Here's a copy of the fare rules.
Note the Sales restrictions:
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 24MAR 09.
SWISS LX LONBCN JCRAZYUK fare rules and restrictions
General notes:
BUSINESS EXCURSION FARES J
From/To EUROPE FOR ROUND TRIP FARES
FOR ADULT
Flight restrictions:
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY LX FLIGHT.
Advanced reservations and ticketing restrictions:
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
NOTE -
DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL
DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE
LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED
TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE .
THE MORE RESTICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES.
MANUALLY ENTERED TICKET NUMBERS MUST ALWAYS BE IN
SSR ITEM OR ACCORDING TO DIFFERENT GDS
SPECIFICATIONS.
Maximum stay restrictions:
RETURN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER
THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
Transfers:
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
Combinability restrictions:
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED.
ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS.
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
WITHIN
-WITHIN EUROPE OR WITHIN ANY ONE COUNTRY
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY
RULE IN TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
-BETWEEN IRELAND AND UNITED KINGDOM OR WITHIN ANY ONE
COUNTRY
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY -XMAS FARE
OR ANY ECRAZYUK TYPE FARES
OR ANY -SWI1UK TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY RULE IN
TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY
RULE IN TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LH/OS/SK/TP/
LO/JK/JP/OU/KF/BD IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
Travel restrictions:
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 07MAR 09.
Sales restrictions:
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 24MAR 09.
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
Penalties:
CANCELLATIONS
ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
NOTE -
APPLY PENALTY CONDITIONS AS PER FARE RULE IN EACH
DIRECTION.
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
NOTE -
APPLY PENALTY CONDITIONS AS PER FARE RULE IN EACH
DIRECTION.
Endorsements:
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED -
FARE RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
Children's discounts:
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF
THE FARE
OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
Rule application:
SPECIAL -SWISS/ -BSLUK/-MXP AND PROMOTIONAL FARES.
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
WITHIN EUROPE.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES.
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
OTHER CONDITIONS
FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS -
THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC TICKET/ IS NOT VALID IF
THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE
HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE
SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC
TICKET/.
------------------------------------------------
FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE.
FARES MAY BE USED FOR UPGRADING FROM A LOWER FARE
PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE MET.
DOWNGRADING TO A LOWER FARE WITHIN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT IS NOT PERMITTED.
------------------------------------------------
VOLUNTARY CHANGE OF TRAVEL CLASS PERMITTED FROM
F- OR A- CLASS FARES TO C- OR Y-CLASS FARES AND
FROM C-/D-/Z-/J-CLASS FARES TO Y- OR B-CLASS FARES
--------------------------------------------------
IF A RETURN TICKET SHALL BE USED FOR ONE WAY
TRAVEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RETURN FARE AND
THE APPLICABLE HIGHER Y/C/F-CLASS ONE WAY FARE HAS
TO BE COLLECTED.
--------------------------------------------------
NO WAITLIST SEGMENT PERMITTED AT THE TIME OF CHECK
IN IF ANY HIGHER BOOKING CLASS WITHIN THE SAME
TRAVEL COMPARTMENT IS AVAILABLE.
<end of fare rules and restrictions>
General notes:
BUSINESS EXCURSION FARES J
From/To EUROPE FOR ROUND TRIP FARES
FOR ADULT
Flight restrictions:
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY LX FLIGHT.
Advanced reservations and ticketing restrictions:
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
NOTE -
DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL
DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE
LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED
TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE .
THE MORE RESTICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES.
MANUALLY ENTERED TICKET NUMBERS MUST ALWAYS BE IN
SSR ITEM OR ACCORDING TO DIFFERENT GDS
SPECIFICATIONS.
Maximum stay restrictions:
RETURN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER
THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
Transfers:
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
Combinability restrictions:
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED.
ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS.
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
WITHIN
-WITHIN EUROPE OR WITHIN ANY ONE COUNTRY
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY
RULE IN TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
-BETWEEN IRELAND AND UNITED KINGDOM OR WITHIN ANY ONE
COUNTRY
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY -XMAS FARE
OR ANY ECRAZYUK TYPE FARES
OR ANY -SWI1UK TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY RULE IN
TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY
RULE IN TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LH/OS/SK/TP/
LO/JK/JP/OU/KF/BD IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
Travel restrictions:
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 07MAR 09.
Sales restrictions:
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 24MAR 09.
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
Penalties:
CANCELLATIONS
ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
NOTE -
APPLY PENALTY CONDITIONS AS PER FARE RULE IN EACH
DIRECTION.
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
NOTE -
APPLY PENALTY CONDITIONS AS PER FARE RULE IN EACH
DIRECTION.
Endorsements:
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED -
FARE RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
Children's discounts:
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF
THE FARE
OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
Rule application:
SPECIAL -SWISS/ -BSLUK/-MXP AND PROMOTIONAL FARES.
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
WITHIN EUROPE.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES.
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
OTHER CONDITIONS
FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS -
THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC TICKET/ IS NOT VALID IF
THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE
HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE
SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC
TICKET/.
------------------------------------------------
FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE.
FARES MAY BE USED FOR UPGRADING FROM A LOWER FARE
PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE MET.
DOWNGRADING TO A LOWER FARE WITHIN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT IS NOT PERMITTED.
------------------------------------------------
VOLUNTARY CHANGE OF TRAVEL CLASS PERMITTED FROM
F- OR A- CLASS FARES TO C- OR Y-CLASS FARES AND
FROM C-/D-/Z-/J-CLASS FARES TO Y- OR B-CLASS FARES
--------------------------------------------------
IF A RETURN TICKET SHALL BE USED FOR ONE WAY
TRAVEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RETURN FARE AND
THE APPLICABLE HIGHER Y/C/F-CLASS ONE WAY FARE HAS
TO BE COLLECTED.
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NO WAITLIST SEGMENT PERMITTED AT THE TIME OF CHECK
IN IF ANY HIGHER BOOKING CLASS WITHIN THE SAME
TRAVEL COMPARTMENT IS AVAILABLE.
<end of fare rules and restrictions>
Mar 23, 2009, 7:01 pm
#72
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold(OWE), QF LTG, MR Plat, IHG Spire, Hertz PC
Posts: 8,156
I think the difficulty came because Traveloguy was using ExpertFlyer to search for availability for each individual segment. If they searched for the farebasis on, for example, the segement GVA-BCN they'd get no result because the initial leg from LON was also required to be mentioned, as according to the farerules.
It makes sense to search for availability in this manner because it would be a lot quicker to see all possible options, however on this occasion, because of the specifics of the farerules, it wasn't possible.
It makes sense to search for availability in this manner because it would be a lot quicker to see all possible options, however on this occasion, because of the specifics of the farerules, it wasn't possible.
Searching using a group of segments against a class was the only way to get it to work.
Remember J class on one group of segments (e.g. LHR-GVA-ZRH) is not necessarily the same as J on each individual sector. In my case this is what initially killed my search. Using the 1 or 2 minimum segments in Expert Flyer sorted the search problem out.
Mar 25, 2009, 5:11 pm
#73
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreux CH
Programs: FB Platinum, M&M FTL, BA Blue
Posts: 11,673
Well, I just didn't have time to deal with and make a booking, or the time to actually do the run. The fare has gone now. Do you think another offer like this will come along, or was it a one-off?
Apr 1, 2009, 1:05 pm
#74
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SIN 5 days out of 7
Programs: BD*G, A3*G, BA-S, Accor Gold, IHG Amb
Posts: 5,505
Not exactly a MR, but it's a fair few miles on a fairly decent airline with a fare that doesn't come up very often:
SQ cut C class price 50% ex-UK
I priced up LHR-SIN-CHC-SIN-LHR in D for 2230.
Note 1.5x miles earning.
Fares bookable until end of TODAY, 1st April only *(This is not a joke)!
SQ cut C class price 50% ex-UK
I priced up LHR-SIN-CHC-SIN-LHR in D for 2230.
Note 1.5x miles earning.
Fares bookable until end of TODAY, 1st April only *(This is not a joke)!