Avis reminder emails now contain awd code check warning
#107
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Do we need to opt-in to QuickPass or is it enabled automatically by being a Preferred member (and logging in to the Avis app using those credentials)?
#108
Join Date: Jul 2021
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#109
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 8
Using a code in Waikiki in three weeks.
I guess I should cancel and rebook? Not take the chance of being challenged. It’s a substantial savings, should I just chance it?
To be clear, I’m not eligible for this code.
#110
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: NYC
Programs: AS MVPG, DL KM, Bee Six, Bonvoy Plat, Avis PC, Natl Exec, Greyhound Road Rewards Z"L
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I have a code that I’ve uses for years, it was given to me by a friend who used to work at an Avis airport in Canada.
I guess I should cancel and rebook? Not take the chance of being challenged. It’s a substantial savings, should I just chance it?
To be clear, I’m not eligible for this code.
I guess I should cancel and rebook? Not take the chance of being challenged. It’s a substantial savings, should I just chance it?
To be clear, I’m not eligible for this code.
With that being said, it's up to you
-J.
#112
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SFO/SEA
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Posts: 3,380
You should never use a code for which you are not eligible. If something were to happen during your rental such as an accident, and it was found out that you were not eligible to rent the vehicle under the terms of your rental agreement, imagine how that would play out.
With that being said, it's up to you
-J.
With that being said, it's up to you
-J.
#113
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 8
With regards to using a code you are not eligible for, I spoke to an Avis agent here in Vancouver and he said the biggest problem was getting insurance. Most of the corporate codes now have a pre-negotiated insurance policy that isn’t part of the rental and now is held entirely by the corporation. You would not be able to add any third-party insurance to these reservations. Credit card loss damage waivers will not cover you.
So if an accident where to occur it sounds like the individual would be 100% liable.
For me the risk is far too great.
So if an accident where to occur it sounds like the individual would be 100% liable.
For me the risk is far too great.
#114
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 377
With regards to using a code you are not eligible for, I spoke to an Avis agent here in Vancouver and he said the biggest problem was getting insurance. Most of the corporate codes now have a pre-negotiated insurance policy that isn’t part of the rental and now is held entirely by the corporation. You would not be able to add any third-party insurance to these reservations. Credit card loss damage waivers will not cover you.
So if an accident where to occur it sounds like the individual would be 100% liable.
For me the risk is far too great.
So if an accident where to occur it sounds like the individual would be 100% liable.
For me the risk is far too great.
Last edited by I can see for miles; Nov 2, 2021 at 12:20 pm
#115
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 8
It opens the door for the insurers to deny the claim.
This is what I was told by an Avis agent. He mentioned that he’s aware of this exact situation.
It was enough for me to re book without a code.
For context, this is the same agent (we have mutual friends- that’s why he gave me a code to use) who gave me the AWD code and added to my profile years ago.
#116
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 8
But, you could also be correct. I’m not speaking from experience. I’m only sharing what I was told today.
#117
Join Date: Nov 2021
Posts: 1
Hi-I booked a car months ago for RSW for early December using Amazon Employee code. Got a great rate. Today I received an email from Avis that stated the following.
CORPORATE RESERVATIONS REQUIRE ID VERIFICATION This reservation was made using a corporate AWD (Avis Worldwide Discount Code) that requires validation of eligibility. Please be prepared to produce your company ID, business card, or a recent email with the company’s email domain (e.g. @xyzcompany.com) for employment verification purposes when picking up your vehicle.
Has anyone who has used this code made their own business card or bogus email to get past the counter? I am Avis preferred and go straight to the lot, should I expect any issues?
CORPORATE RESERVATIONS REQUIRE ID VERIFICATION This reservation was made using a corporate AWD (Avis Worldwide Discount Code) that requires validation of eligibility. Please be prepared to produce your company ID, business card, or a recent email with the company’s email domain (e.g. @xyzcompany.com) for employment verification purposes when picking up your vehicle.
Has anyone who has used this code made their own business card or bogus email to get past the counter? I am Avis preferred and go straight to the lot, should I expect any issues?
Last edited by IAHtraveler; Nov 13, 2021 at 6:22 am
#118
Company Representative - AutoSlash and HotelSlash
Join Date: Jun 2006
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I find it odd that Avis corporate security aren't taking a bigger grip on this fraud given the current climate. Easy to require a "confirmation" email from the associated business domain if using a business AWD.
I'm also disappointed that FT mods appear to condone this fraud by continuing to allow it to be discussed.
I'm also disappointed that FT mods appear to condone this fraud by continuing to allow it to be discussed.
#119
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: DL PM, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 8,414
The code I use is from my husbands former employer. However, it used to be called a “friends and family“ discount. I am not seeing that language anymore.
the rate is currently providing a savings of almost 65% so given current circumstances I’m not going to stop using it. I also don’t share the view that this is somehow theft.
Regarding insurance issues, I don’t see how my insurance company or even credit card would be made aware of the code that was used. It would not be in the rental companies interest to prevent an insurer from paying. I also think it would be difficult for an insurance company to ultimately deny the claim based on this discount code used.
the rate is currently providing a savings of almost 65% so given current circumstances I’m not going to stop using it. I also don’t share the view that this is somehow theft.
Regarding insurance issues, I don’t see how my insurance company or even credit card would be made aware of the code that was used. It would not be in the rental companies interest to prevent an insurer from paying. I also think it would be difficult for an insurance company to ultimately deny the claim based on this discount code used.
#120
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 8
The code I use is from my husbands former employer. However, it used to be called a “friends and family“ discount. I am not seeing that language anymore.
the rate is currently providing a savings of almost 65% so given current circumstances I’m not going to stop using it. I also don’t share the view that this is somehow theft.
Regarding insurance issues, I don’t see how my insurance company or even credit card would be made aware of the code that was used. It would not be in the rental companies interest to prevent an insurer from paying. I also think it would be difficult for an insurance company to ultimately deny the claim based on this discount code used.
the rate is currently providing a savings of almost 65% so given current circumstances I’m not going to stop using it. I also don’t share the view that this is somehow theft.
Regarding insurance issues, I don’t see how my insurance company or even credit card would be made aware of the code that was used. It would not be in the rental companies interest to prevent an insurer from paying. I also think it would be difficult for an insurance company to ultimately deny the claim based on this discount code used.
I think for me anyways, the risk come in the form of “what could happen” in the worst case and decide if that risk is acceptable.
In the Avis rental agreement is says :
g) To the extent you utilize any rate/benefit discount code in association with a rental, you represent you meet the requisite criteria for utilizing such discount code. Any other use will be viewed as an unlawful use and theft of services for which Avis can pursue legal remedies, including, but not limited to, reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs, and may void any associated discounts or rental benefits.
The rental agreement also says :
A VIOLATION OF THIS PARAGRAPH 9, WHICH INCLUDES USE OF THE CAR BY AN NAUTHORIZED DRIVER, WILL AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATE YOUR RENTAL, VOID ALL LIABILITY PROTECTION AND ANY OPTIONAL SERVICES THAT YOU HAVE ACCEPTED, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL LIABILITY INSURANCE, PERSONAL ACCIDENT INSURANCE, PERSONAL EFFECTS PROTECTION AND LOSS DAMAGE WAIVER.
section (3) of paragraph 9
3) obtained the car through fraud or misrepresentation;
So, this is enough for me to not take the chance. To me it seems clear that insurance could be denied for using a discount code that I’m not eligible for.
This is all up to the risk tolerance of the driver.
Having said that, I’m not happy about how much I’m paying for a full size car in Hawaii for 7 days.
Safe travels.