yes

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as I understand it yes. Then you have a year to apply the certs before they expire. You can redeposit and get another year on the points(I think until the next year end so almost two years potentiality, I think, others can confirm). But if you haven’t met qualifications they will be held hostage till you do or they expire.

So if you don’t think you’ll qualify in time you can redeem for certs you’ll use and or turn into miles.

Im sure you are correct but pointing out info from the agents shouldn’t be taken as correct….they are easy to get on the phone typical, maybe a hang up and call back with questions until you get someone that seems to know what they are talking about. The one that said that struck me as a relatively new hire.

This explains why my recent JetBlue flight on an AA codeshare, with AA ticket stock #001, didn't get BE points. Lesson learned. I still would have flown it, as it was the only nonstop option on the route that still earned my LPs and redeemable award miles.

On the rolling 12 month spend count that becomes important starting Jan 1, 2023, I've gone back to my BE account history to Oct 2021 and added up all the spending credited in the months through Sep 2022 + any flights credited so far in Oct 2022. The number I came up with exactly matches my rolling 12 month counter on the BE web site. So, it's not technically 12 months exactly. It's going back to Oct 1, 2021 and including flights taken so far in Oct 2022. So it's effectively up to 13 months. I'm fairly certain on Nov 1, all my Oct 2021 spending will drop from the counter anyway. But this could matter as you approach Dec 31 and may be on the cusp of going under $5000 so you can redeem what you need to.

At least now that it's clear to me how the spend is counted, I have a spreadsheet that is helping me keep track of and project where I'll be based on future purchases already locked in (unless, of course, I have to cancel those trips).

Thanks. This is very helpful to know as I had significant travel spend in late 2021 / early 2022 and would like to plan my redemptions. I found the "previous 12-month period" language to be open to interpretation. Of course, BE's target market is not those of us with exactly 3 travelers and $5,001 in spend but there may be some mid-size enterprises whose travel is highly seasonal too.

Over the summer my wife, son, and I flew BA BOS-LHR and back in business class - my son on a "child" fare which had a very, very modest discount (maybe $50) over the adult fare and I put my business extraa number on the reservation.

I noticed today that although the flights posted for all three of us, my son's didn't earn any points due to being a child fare. I couldn't find any mention of that on this thread so just wanted to point out if you use a BA Child fare, you will not earn any business extra points for that particular ticket.

Can you buy or transfer Business Extra Points? I have 3059, and with the new spend requirements I need to burn them up by the end of the year. Another 141 points gets me a Plan AAhead Domestic First award.

Alternatively if I redeem for BXP1 upgrades now, can I use them next year without qualifying? How long are they valid for?

BE points cannot be bought or transferred (AFAIK).

And once you claim an award you have 1 year to use it (all travel must be flown within 1 year).

There is no restriction on using previously claimed awards if your company doesn't "qualify" in 2023. So if you claim an award today it will be no problem to use it next year even if your company is under the 3 traveller / $5k spend.

Redeem a mix of useful awards by 12/31 and then gift them to anyone you want. As said, you have a year to actually use the redeemed chits. Club day passes are nice but once you designate the AA account you’re gifting it to, it can’t be changed.

Thank you! I may have to convert them in to miles ...that seems the most easiest for my case

You question got me wondering how to access the old plan ahead chart. Is it still a thing?

FoundersCard has a further promotion for extra points.

how is this promotion tracked since you register with business extra and not via founders card? Is there a promotion code provided to use on the business extra website?

The promotion code is provided once you’ve logged into the FoundersCard website.

I was a little too quick to enroll today, realizing it would be best to wait until right before my next AA flight since that starts the 90-day period. Just wrote Business Extra to see if they could unenroll me so I can enroll later.

Any Black Friday promotions?
 

Any chance we'll see promotions similar to last year's announced around Thanksgiving? Have a few BE points expiring next month and would love to maximize their value.

Anyone know if Aadmiral Club certificates can be re-instated or at LEAST transferred to another AA member? I did the Thanksgiving promo last year and have some unused stuff... the BXP1s seem eligible but not the Aadmiral Club passes, at least online. I checked the Wiki and didn't see an answer, doesn't mean it isn't there but I am exhausted and its 3 am and I didn't see it...

And since I am here, we got grandfathered in before the spend and 3 flyer requirements took hold but I think they are coming to all accounts eventually? The boss keeps booking on Delta ugh. Will any unsued rewards still be valid and active even if the overall business extra account isn't deemed eligible anymore?

BXP1's can be used by anyone but the Admirals Club awards are non transferable AFAIK. When you claim an AC award you enter the name and AA# of whoever you want to give it to and then it's set.

I'm honestly not sure if AC awards can be cancelled with points reinstated but if you're not going to use it it's worth a shot calling and asking.

Also no accounts have been grandfathered it's just that the $5k spend / 3 traveller requirement doesn't kick in until 1/1/23. But this has no effect on any awards that you've already claimed, they are still valid like usual up until their expiration date even if the company falls below the threshold to redeem new awards.

Existing accounts were grandfathered, actually. If you opened a new BE account today the spend and traveller requirement would be effective immediately.

Ah ok, I didn't realize that they implemented that immediately for new accounts, thanks for the clarification.

upgrade availability on JFK-LAX / SFO
 

Does AA typically release 2 J-class seats for upgrade availability on JFK-LAX / SFO?
Is it feasible to expect to use 2 BXP1 certs on these trans-con flights for next April?

anyone know if any black friday or cyber monday deals this year?

Admirals Club certs can NOT be re-instated or transferred to another AA member. I tried for both, and was aptly denied so I have 2 passess that are now useless since I will not be flying prior to the expiration date.

You're looking for C inventory, which is the same fare class you would need for SWU or miles+copay upgrades. Finding 2 seats is not impossible but you will need to be flexible. I just found 2 on a Tuesday night on the last JFK-SFO flight of the evening in mid December. I have found Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Saturdays to be the easiest Availability is constantly changing so keep an eye out or set up alerts with expertflyer. Good luck!

The 6x conversion to AA miles seems pretty fair. I think that or 300 points for an admirals club pass are still pretty affordable. Those seem prime for a rate devaluation soon.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see those get devalued in 2023. I’m guessing business extra is losing money and they are going further tighten the screws on redeeming. Use em or lose em , usually a good style for these programs. This particular one stayed pretty amazing for quite a while

Ok interesting interaction with a phone rep:

agent on the phone just told me starting January 1 bxp1s will not be confirmed just enter the waitlist for an upgrade. so if elite pointless domestically.

1. is he just wrong
2. Is this new and I missed that

maybe he’s confused cause usually there isn’t space and you get waitlisted , but I see the real value in getting confirmation.

i am stating very clearly I think he was just confused or something , cause I don’t see any changes in January mentioned. I just wanted to confirm if anyone else has heard this.

I always take anything an "agent" says like this with a grain of salt.

Some of the Meeting Services agents are just as clueless and poorly trained as the regular phone agents. Probably just confused and/or getting words mixed up with the other Jan 1 changes.

It makes no sense why AA would arbitrarily not allow BE upgrades to be confirmed if space is available.

Redeposit fees are back for upgrade certificates (BXP1, etc.)
 

Per JT Genter , redeposit / reinstatement fees are back for upgrade certificates (with no lead time / advance notice! :mad:). If you check the https://www.businessextra.com/redeem/upgrade-awards.htm on businessextra.com:
Points that have been redeemed but not yet processed can be reinstated online within 5 days of redemption without incurring a fee. After 5 days, reinstatement fees of $150 USD for the first certificate and $25 for each additional (within the same transaction) will apply."

Just got an email stating points set to expire Dec 31 2022 are extended to Feb 28 2023. However, doesn't the "$5000 spend for redeeming points" rule kick in on Jan 1st? If so, it seems like it may still be wise to redeem soon to expire points before the end of the year.

I didn't see a mention of deferring the "unique traveler" rule, either. The cynic in me wonders if this is designed to have people wait to use their points, only to find out that they cannot because of one of these limitations (the spend or unique traveler rules).

I have been told specifically that the company must have three travelers. My company has two (me and DrQ), so the account will be suspended. They allowed me to spend points until Dec 10, 22. I got some AC day passes for friends. Good bye Business Extra. It's been fun.

2 quick question. If I use a BXTA 2k Plan Ahead award for a flight, will I still be upgraded as an EXP if space is available? Can I change the flight to an earlier/later time if the new flight is also valid as a 2k Plan Ahead? Thanks.

I don't know about you, but my business uses lots of consultants. For example, if a friend or family member is travelling with me, I often use the time to consult with them about business matters. I pay for their flight and/or meal, and I put my business extra number in the reservation.

As far as I understand things the BE account is not going to be "suspended" if you're under the $5k/3 traveller threshold, rather any accounts that are under will just be unable to redeem points.

For anyone in this situation I don't see any reason not to continue to accrue BE points as usual, they'll be there for use later if you're able to make it over the threshold. It's not like it costs anything.

PlanAhead Business Awards
 

Running out time before my current BX6B award expires and over the past year have never seen ANY PlanAhead AA business award space to/from any Europe airport.

While I have always had beyond low expectations I'm hoping someone can provide some guidance on finding business award space from NYC (or anywhere) to anywhere in Europe?

Alternatively, can anyone provide a suggestion on what can be done with this useless award before EOY as I won't qualify for redemptions in 2023 due to not meeting the new 5K spend rule?

In addition I have to burn the 8,198 points currently in my account before EOY and am trying to figure a flight award that can actually be booked?

TIA

can't you return it and redeposit it for points, then use them for something like club membership or simply exchange for miles?

I get that, but the only person I could add is my husband, who is already on the account.

Here is an excerpt from the email I received:

please help us to validate it as such. To keep this account active please provide two of the following:

• Employer Identification Number (EIN) | Federal Employer Identification Number (FEIN) | Federal Tax Identification Number
• Articles of Incorporation (S corp or C corp) | Articles of Organization (LLC)
• Partnership Agreement (General Partnership) | Certificate of Limited Partnership, Limited Partnership Document (LP, LLP)
• Valid Business Name Registration certificate issued by a government agency (e.g. Business License, DBA / Doing Business As Name, Assumed Name, Fictitious Business Name, Registration of Trade Name)
• Seller's Permit or Vendor's License issued by a government agency such as a local taxation department or tax commission

We will also need a copy of W2’s for three company employees that will post travel to the account, aside from yourself.  When providing this type of documentation, please redact the last 4 of any Social Security Numbers and any earnings information.

Emphasis added.

I just don't qualify.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Good point. I am just going to leave it as it is. I can't see hiring anyone in the near future. I am trying to wind it down, anyway.

Did they back the change out? The FAQ doesn't say anything about a fee to reinstate points.


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