Dec 4, 2012, 5:40 pm
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FAQ: What's a Systemwide Upgrade / SWU / eVIP / VIP? (Master thread)
FAQ: What's a Systemwide Upgrade / SWU / eVIP / VIP? (Master thread)
ARCHIVE: SWU / VIP / eVIP Systemwide Upgrade questions
Jul 30, 2012, 1:02 am
#1351
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One for up to three legs on AA metal as long as there is not a turnaround in direction (i.e., not backtracking from eastward to westward, or southward the northward). Connecting from a South America flight to a Europe-bound flight in DFW, MIA or JFK shouldn't be a problem.
Zones for award upgrades don't come into it (e.g., I have upgraded NRT-JFK-LHR on a single SWU).
Zones for award upgrades don't come into it (e.g., I have upgraded NRT-JFK-LHR on a single SWU).
Jul 30, 2012, 10:07 pm
#1352
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Re-ticketing when upgrade clears on a subsequent flight
I know that when an upgrade clears the itinerary is re-ticketed and the SWU is pulled and shown as "used".
If a second or third flight in an itinerary subsequently clears as part of the same one-way trip (ie using the same SWU) does the itinerary get re-ticketed again and a new ticket number issued even though there's no additional SWU being used?
Thanks.
If a second or third flight in an itinerary subsequently clears as part of the same one-way trip (ie using the same SWU) does the itinerary get re-ticketed again and a new ticket number issued even though there's no additional SWU being used?
Thanks.
Aug 2, 2012, 3:51 pm
#1353
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I have an international flight waitlisted for an SWU upgrade in about a month. Normally they don't upgrade the domestic segments until the international portion clears, but at least one domestic flight (JFK-AUS) is filling up in F and it is long enough that I would not consider the SWU wasted if LHR-JFK did not clear.
So... If I get them to upgrade JFK-AUS, I assume I will still be on the waitlist for LHR-JFK. Does this reset my spot in the waitlist for LHR-JFK or will the upgrade request time stay the same (about a month ago)?
So... If I get them to upgrade JFK-AUS, I assume I will still be on the waitlist for LHR-JFK. Does this reset my spot in the waitlist for LHR-JFK or will the upgrade request time stay the same (about a month ago)?
Aug 2, 2012, 3:59 pm
#1354
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I have an international flight waitlisted for an SWU upgrade in about a month. Normally they don't upgrade the domestic segments until the international portion clears, but at least one domestic flight (JFK-AUS) is filling up in F and it is long enough that I would not consider the SWU wasted if LHR-JFK did not clear.
So... If I get them to upgrade JFK-AUS, I assume I will still be on the waitlist for LHR-JFK. Does this reset my spot in the waitlist for LHR-JFK or will the upgrade request time stay the same (about a month ago)?
So... If I get them to upgrade JFK-AUS, I assume I will still be on the waitlist for LHR-JFK. Does this reset my spot in the waitlist for LHR-JFK or will the upgrade request time stay the same (about a month ago)?
Cheers.
Aug 2, 2012, 4:03 pm
#1355
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Yes. My wife will be with me and if LHR-JFK doesn't clear I had better have a first class seat for her for the following flight. Otherwise it will be "so much for your big status". (Actually, I'll probably get that anyway.)
Aug 2, 2012, 9:58 pm
#1356
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Last April, I flew NRT-LAX-BOS. The NRT-LAX leg cleared 1 week before and the LAX-BOS cleared 2-3 days before. I think theres a good chance the domestic leg will clear. You'll be ahead of all the EXPs getting comp upgrades. Also, there will be cancellations in 1st before departure.
I have an international flight waitlisted for an SWU upgrade in about a month. Normally they don't upgrade the domestic segments until the international portion clears, but at least one domestic flight (JFK-AUS) is filling up in F and it is long enough that I would not consider the SWU wasted if LHR-JFK did not clear.
So... If I get them to upgrade JFK-AUS, I assume I will still be on the waitlist for LHR-JFK. Does this reset my spot in the waitlist for LHR-JFK or will the upgrade request time stay the same (about a month ago)?
So... If I get them to upgrade JFK-AUS, I assume I will still be on the waitlist for LHR-JFK. Does this reset my spot in the waitlist for LHR-JFK or will the upgrade request time stay the same (about a month ago)?
Aug 3, 2012, 6:07 am
#1357
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I've read that before, though I believe the waitlists for A and X are completely separate and don't talk to each other. The one and only time I allowed myself to be waitlisted for A on a domestic segment after clearing the international it came down to the gate, with plenty of F inventory before the 100 hour window opened. I'll never let them do it again--I ask to stay on the sticker upgrade list and tend to clear those quite frequently.
Aug 3, 2012, 7:42 am
#1358
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I've read that before, though I believe the waitlists for A and X are completely separate and don't talk to each other. The one and only time I allowed myself to be waitlisted for A on a domestic segment after clearing the international it came down to the gate, with plenty of F inventory before the 100 hour window opened. I'll never let them do it again--I ask to stay on the sticker upgrade list and tend to clear those quite frequently.
Cheers.
Aug 3, 2012, 9:45 am
#1359
Join Date: Jan 2010
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I've read that before, though I believe the waitlists for A and X are completely separate and don't talk to each other. The one and only time I allowed myself to be waitlisted for A on a domestic segment after clearing the international it came down to the gate, with plenty of F inventory before the 100 hour window opened. I'll never let them do it again--I ask to stay on the sticker upgrade list and tend to clear those quite frequently.
- At first, EXP comp upgrade for domestic legs clears
- Then eVIP clears for international legs
- Then eVIP clears for domestic legs (from X to A)
If above happens, I always got additional 25% RDM bonus from domestic legs
Aug 3, 2012, 9:59 am
#1360
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The scenario you describe happened for me this week. I did not get any RDM bonus for the domestic legs. I have never gotten any RDM bonus from this happening.
Aug 3, 2012, 11:04 am
#1361
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As I have a companion on the same PNR, if I requested the sticker upgrade then I would lose the stickers if the X upgrade cleared before the A upgrade. I don't want that. But I would certainly be miffed if we were waitlisted for an A upgrade using the SWU and X upgrades cleared before us.
Aug 3, 2012, 11:08 am
#1362
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Using swu to upgrade a family member
My itin: SFO-xLAX-xJFK-BCN (NO stopping at LAX & JFK). SWU upgrade cleared at time of booking.
Family member itin: LAX-xJFK-BCN (NO stopping at JFK; same date and flight #s as above; this itin was linked to mine, but on different PNR). SWU upgrade was cleared only for LAX-xJFK leg; waitlisted on JFK-BCN leg. NOTE: family member has no AA status.
At time of booking family member’s ticket, EF showed upgrade avail. AA still put this upgrade on Waitlist. Called EXP desk couple of times hence, but to no avail.
Question: any other steps I should take to get family member upgrade cleared?
Family member itin: LAX-xJFK-BCN (NO stopping at JFK; same date and flight #s as above; this itin was linked to mine, but on different PNR). SWU upgrade was cleared only for LAX-xJFK leg; waitlisted on JFK-BCN leg. NOTE: family member has no AA status.
At time of booking family member’s ticket, EF showed upgrade avail. AA still put this upgrade on Waitlist. Called EXP desk couple of times hence, but to no avail.
Question: any other steps I should take to get family member upgrade cleared?
Aug 3, 2012, 11:24 am
#1363
Join Date: Jan 2010
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I have never missed this mysterious 25% bonus RDM for domestic legs if this happend.
The key is clearing EXP comp UG first(to X) then followed by eVIP UG(to A).
If eVIP UG clears first, this 25% RDM has never posted.
This happpened at least 3 times(may be 4) since 2010.
Last time I got this 25% RDM was last Oct from RDU-DFW.
(The bonus miles I got was 1,328 that is 125%(including 100% elite bonus) of base mile(1,062) for RDU-DFW)
Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to get this bonus this year as I stopped gambling on eVIP except for JFK-LHR/LHR-JFK(no domestic legs on AA).
Aug 5, 2012, 4:50 pm
#1364
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My itin: SFO-xLAX-xJFK-BCN (NO stopping at LAX & JFK). SWU upgrade cleared at time of booking.
Family member itin: LAX-xJFK-BCN (NO stopping at JFK; same date and flight #s as above; this itin was linked to mine, but on different PNR). SWU upgrade was cleared only for LAX-xJFK leg; waitlisted on JFK-BCN leg. NOTE: family member has no AA status.
At time of booking family member’s ticket, EF showed upgrade avail. AA still put this upgrade on Waitlist. Called EXP desk couple of times hence, but to no avail.
Question: any other steps I should take to get family member upgrade cleared?
Family member itin: LAX-xJFK-BCN (NO stopping at JFK; same date and flight #s as above; this itin was linked to mine, but on different PNR). SWU upgrade was cleared only for LAX-xJFK leg; waitlisted on JFK-BCN leg. NOTE: family member has no AA status.
At time of booking family member’s ticket, EF showed upgrade avail. AA still put this upgrade on Waitlist. Called EXP desk couple of times hence, but to no avail.
Question: any other steps I should take to get family member upgrade cleared?
if EF showed C1 for JFK-BCN, one option would have been to tell the agent to use the C1 for your family member, and wiatlist you. As an EXP you'll have higher status. Also, the agent may have been able to request that RM release an extra C seat for you to complete the party. You can still call back and ask the agent to try that.
Aug 5, 2012, 5:04 pm
#1365
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Not saying it's just you, but it's certainly not universal.