Jul 16, 2015, 2:58 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
This is the archived thread of older posts. The current thread is:
Post by brc757rr, July 2015:
Post by brc757rr, July 2015:
Originally Posted by AA policy regarding PDB
Pre-departure beverages are expected to be offered on all flights. On domestic flights, customers should be offered a beverage of choice. On international flights with bonded liquor, we offer a choice of orange juice, water, sparkling water, sparkling wine and mimosas and will fulfill requests for non alcoholic beverages of choice provided that supplies can be obtained without opening bonded carts and carriers. If pre-departure beverages cannot be served because of operational reasons, flight attendants are expected to apologize to customers and advise that beverages will be served as soon as possible after take off.
I was able to receive the exact language of the company policy from American Airlines today via Twitter regarding PDB's. I was actually quite impressed they followed up with me regarding a conversation that started a few days ago. I also received a nice note from Hector Adler who I also reached out to who said that pre-departure services were discussed at great length at a meeting late last week. Let's hope things begin to improve and if not we continue to press the FA's to follow company policy.
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Originally Posted by RogerD408
Did a little searching on Twitter. A good hashtag could be just #PDBServed and the condition listed before that. So, something like:
@AmericanAir 08/18 AA123 ORG No #PDBServed
@AmericanAir 08/18 AA123 ORG Full #PDBServed
@AmericanAir 08/18 AA123 ORG Limited #PDBServed
This allows all PDB service to be posted, good, bad, and otherwise. This should show AA that we feel this is a desired service. Maybe if someone gets energetic, a summary post could be done, maybe weekly?
@AmericanAir 08/18 AA123 ORG No #PDBServed
@AmericanAir 08/18 AA123 ORG Full #PDBServed
@AmericanAir 08/18 AA123 ORG Limited #PDBServed
This allows all PDB service to be posted, good, bad, and otherwise. This should show AA that we feel this is a desired service. Maybe if someone gets energetic, a summary post could be done, maybe weekly?
ARCHIVE: Predeparture Drinks/Beverage (PDB) - When, What and Why Not?
Feb 22, 2008, 6:00 pm
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ARCHIVE: Predeparture Drinks/Beverage (PDB) - When, What and Why Not?
After a difficult 40 minutes through MCO Security and then in a Warm Clubless Terminal undergoing an air-con refurb, I wanted something other than Orange Juice or Water.
And the FA told me: They dont let us serve beer before take-off.
Truth ? or another Lazy FA Lie?
It was also a 757 Tanscon using door 2, with lots of time, so no hassle for the FA.
And the FA told me: They dont let us serve beer before take-off.
Truth ? or another Lazy FA Lie?
It was also a 757 Tanscon using door 2, with lots of time, so no hassle for the FA.
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Feb 22, 2008, 6:06 pm
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Only speculation but, if what the FA said is true, perhaps it has something to do with the fact that beer in F is given as a full can with a pour (if you want a pour) and typical time contraints due to collecting drinks before takeoff might produce a waste of most of a beer.
Every other drink is served in smaller amounts, and therefore more quickly consumed and not wasted.
Every other drink is served in smaller amounts, and therefore more quickly consumed and not wasted.
Feb 22, 2008, 6:27 pm
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if you order your beer with a beer bong (funnel & hose) they will serve you. Very popular on the FLL routes if I remember from my Spring Break days.
Feb 22, 2008, 6:46 pm
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That might be right because of liquor laws. For example, US is having major problems in New Mexico where a drunk driver killed someone after getting off a US plane.
I think US (and the other carriers) don't have state liquor licenses in every state and take the position they don't need one while in the air. New Mexico is taking the position that you need a license in NM if you are serving alcohol on any flights in or out of New Mexico. I think they are even claiming you need a New Mexico liquor license when flying over New Mexico. I think F9 and some others no longer serve alcohol on flights to and from New Mexico.
The airlines are nervous about this -- and not just in New Mexico. Then again, maybe its just another excuse not to give us predeparture drinks!
I think US (and the other carriers) don't have state liquor licenses in every state and take the position they don't need one while in the air. New Mexico is taking the position that you need a license in NM if you are serving alcohol on any flights in or out of New Mexico. I think they are even claiming you need a New Mexico liquor license when flying over New Mexico. I think F9 and some others no longer serve alcohol on flights to and from New Mexico.
The airlines are nervous about this -- and not just in New Mexico. Then again, maybe its just another excuse not to give us predeparture drinks!
Feb 22, 2008, 6:47 pm
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Only speculation but, if what the FA said is true, perhaps it has something to do with the fact that beer in F is given as a full can with a pour (if you want a pour) and typical time contraints due to collecting drinks before takeoff might produce a waste of most of a beer.
Every other drink is served in smaller amounts, and therefore more quickly consumed and not wasted.
Every other drink is served in smaller amounts, and therefore more quickly consumed and not wasted.
Feb 22, 2008, 7:11 pm
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Must be all the other FA's haven't gotten the memo because beer is served all the time for pre-depature's. However, it could be an MCO thing because word has it that after a hard day's work of having his ... pinched by countless little kid's Mickey likes to get on an AA flight and get liquored up.
Feb 22, 2008, 7:17 pm
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Feb 22, 2008, 7:48 pm
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It's up to the FAs and they are suppose to do it but sometimes it's the fault of catering, sometimes they are just lazy, but most time than not I received any drink I wanted during pre-takeoff and that included a screwdriver before this weeks MIA-MAD departure. (btw, AFAIK, Florida does not have the pre-takeoff alcohol/airline laws. I have been served wine, liquor on just about any flight I took out of TPA and MIA. It is possible that MCO falls under their own county law, I just don't know)
I really don't see a reason to report every missed pre-takeoff drink, every non-caring GA. We're all suppose to be FFs. I've seen the worst and I have seen the best. Most fall into the average to above average category, which statistically is about as good as any other airline.
Anybody flying frequently should know that.
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I really don't see a reason to report every missed pre-takeoff drink, every non-caring GA. We're all suppose to be FFs. I've seen the worst and I have seen the best. Most fall into the average to above average category, which statistically is about as good as any other airline.
Anybody flying frequently should know that.
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Feb 22, 2008, 8:24 pm
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Well, since it has been brought up many times in various threads about pre-departures...I guess I could mention again what cities cannot have pre-departure alcohol:
Cleveland(CLE), Columbus(CMH), Dayton(DAY), Harrisburg(MDT), Hartford(BDL), Jackson Hole(JAC), Newark(EWR), Philadelphia(PHL), Pittsburgh(PIT), Wichita(ICT), ALL Texas locations prior to noon on Sundays.
Cleveland(CLE), Columbus(CMH), Dayton(DAY), Harrisburg(MDT), Hartford(BDL), Jackson Hole(JAC), Newark(EWR), Philadelphia(PHL), Pittsburgh(PIT), Wichita(ICT), ALL Texas locations prior to noon on Sundays.
Feb 22, 2008, 9:47 pm
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OK, so what about MCO.......
Feb 22, 2008, 9:56 pm
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Less than 10 ? I would think if I was able to get a beer and the FA said you have to finish it in 3 minutes that would give me 2 minutes to spare
Feb 22, 2008, 9:59 pm
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Feb 23, 2008, 7:04 am
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MCO is my homebase. AA flys 57's, A300's, and S80's. Most if not all 57's are boarded through 2L. So there is no rush through First.
As for they don't allow us, that is not possible. It was the FA's choice and not a rule of Orange County/Orlando laws.
I have had plenty of suds in the front in MCO prior to takeoff.
You must have caught the FA on their third segment.
Now what I have found and it is starting to happen more and more is less bev service prior to take off.
Most of the time AA runs such a tight time schedule and as usual running late that they are just trying to get people out, clean craft, people on, that the last thing they want to do is try to serve bevs prior to take off or just they keep it simple "offer just water service" easy to pour and access.
As for the improvement. MCO is remodeling finally their original terminal which is where AA is at. Time table is 18 months, new everything.
Good Luck... In your quest for a cold one!
As for they don't allow us, that is not possible. It was the FA's choice and not a rule of Orange County/Orlando laws.
I have had plenty of suds in the front in MCO prior to takeoff.
You must have caught the FA on their third segment.
Now what I have found and it is starting to happen more and more is less bev service prior to take off.
Most of the time AA runs such a tight time schedule and as usual running late that they are just trying to get people out, clean craft, people on, that the last thing they want to do is try to serve bevs prior to take off or just they keep it simple "offer just water service" easy to pour and access.
As for the improvement. MCO is remodeling finally their original terminal which is where AA is at. Time table is 18 months, new everything.
Good Luck... In your quest for a cold one!
Feb 23, 2008, 10:50 am
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This list is worth repeating.
The Mco FA was making up a rule. I love it when they do that.
Originally Posted by dayone
Well, since it has been brought up many times in various threads about pre-departures...I guess I could mention again what cities cannot have pre-departure alcohol:
Cleveland(CLE), Columbus(CMH), Dayton(DAY), Harrisburg(MDT), Hartford(BDL), Jackson Hole(JAC), Newark(EWR), Philadelphia(PHL), Pittsburgh(PIT), Wichita(ICT), ALL Texas locations prior to noon on Sundays.
Cleveland(CLE), Columbus(CMH), Dayton(DAY), Harrisburg(MDT), Hartford(BDL), Jackson Hole(JAC), Newark(EWR), Philadelphia(PHL), Pittsburgh(PIT), Wichita(ICT), ALL Texas locations prior to noon on Sundays.
The Mco FA was making up a rule. I love it when they do that.
Feb 23, 2008, 11:24 am
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US has recently informed its cabin staff that it will not serve any alcohol on the ground in Florida; it's widely assumed that it did not renew its Florida alcohol license.