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JJeffrey Jul 7, 2025 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by pgh234 (Post 37191542)
I understand enough about the unpredictably of upgrades and that a Saturday of a holiday weekend is favorable. I just don't understand how I could be ahead of 12 people on an upgrade list as a Gold on a Basic Economy fare. Did my 40k LPs really put 12 golds behind me who were also on BE fares? That seems extreme.

It's entirely possible, if you have 40k LP since March 1 then you're most likely ahead of other Gold's who may have only earned 40k LP over the entire last year. Also the fact that you're on a BE fare doesn't matter, all that matters is your running 12-month LP count.

ETA: Also, especially on a DFW leisure route on a very off-peak Saturday, there could have been a number of AA employees in that 12 people below you on the list.

WannaTheater Jul 7, 2025 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by ryanbriar (Post 37189816)
I’ve found that GPT is decent at taking a copy of the website dumped into Excel and converting it into a table without much prompting. I’ve done this every quarter-ish to get the rolling number / breakout of LPs by category.

The new app/website makes it easier than prior where you no longer have to build the table (i.e. click load more, load more, load more 25 times…)
Now you just click on activity->change dates->custom date range->set start date to a year ago and set end date to today’s date. This will give you the rolling LPs for the last 12 months.


Herb687 Jul 7, 2025 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 37191557)
ETA: Also, especially on a DFW leisure route on a very off-peak Saturday, there could have been a number of AA employees in that 12 people below you on the list.

Would the truncated/edited version of the PALL list that shows on gate displays and presumably the customer-facing AA app show AA employees flying NRSA on the upgrade list though?

On the full PALL list, an employee traveling on a pass for fun (not NRPS) would not be on the "upgrade" portion of the Priority List but rather the "standby" portion ranked by status, D1, D2, D2P, etc. regardless of cabin desired.

Would think that only the NRPS passengers would show on the upgrade list and then at priority UPGE. Doubt there's much official company business going to Cabo on a weekend. And if there was, I guarantee you it would get someone's attention!


Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 37191557)
It's entirely possible, if you have 40k LP since March 1 then you're most likely ahead of other Gold's who may have only earned 40k LP over the entire last year. Also the fact that you're on a BE fare doesn't matter, all that matters is your running 12-month LP count.

That seems like a flaw in the system if AA wants to maximize revenue. Were it up to me, I would prioritize Basic Economy fares below all regular fares within status level. AA should want to create a bigger disincentive to buying BE fares.

pgh234 Jul 7, 2025 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 37191557)
ETA: Also, especially on a DFW leisure route on a very off-peak Saturday, there could have been a number of AA employees in that 12 people below you on the list.

That is one of the main parts of my question. Do non-revs show on the upgrade and standby list like they do for DL? Again, there were 12 remaining on the UG list and zero on the standby list. Therefore, I assumed they were all revenue golds. Also, I was unaware that fare class had nothing to do with upgrade priority within each elite status...and that it was solely based on LPs within each status class. I guess I assumed BE was a penalty.

Herb687 Jul 7, 2025 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by pgh234 (Post 37191635)
That is one of the main parts of my question. Do non-revs show on the upgrade and standby list like they do for DL? Again, there were 12 remaining on the UG list and zero on the standby list. Therefore, I assumed they were all revenue golds. Also, I was unaware that fare class had nothing to do with upgrade priority within each elite status...and that it was solely based on LPs within each status class. I guess I assumed BE was a penalty.

I don't know how the cleaned-up/sanitized version of the Priority List that the general public can partially view is structured (behind the scenes in native Sabre, it's just one Priority List) but on the full Priority List employees traveling for pleasure on personal standby passes are on what would be considered the standby portion of the list at priority code D1, D2, etc. regardless of desired cabin and not the upgrade portion of the list.

JJeffrey Jul 7, 2025 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by pgh234 (Post 37191635)
That is one of the main parts of my question. Do non-revs show on the upgrade and standby list like they do for DL? Again, there were 12 remaining on the UG list and zero on the standby list. Therefore, I assumed they were all revenue golds. Also, I was unaware that fare class had nothing to do with upgrade priority within each elite status...and that it was solely based on LPs within each status class. I guess I assumed BE was a penalty.


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 37191688)
I don't know how the cleaned-up/sanitized version of the Priority List that the general public can partially view is structured (behind the scenes in native Sabre, it's just one Priority List) but on the full Priority List employees traveling for pleasure on personal standby passes are on what would be considered the standby portion of the list at priority code D1, D2, etc. regardless of desired cabin and not the upgrade portion of the list.

I was under the impression (but I could be wrong, I'm by no means an AA employee travel expert) that once any D1/D2/etc. were confirmed and checked in, that they could be added to the upgrade list, but would be sorted below any normal elite revenue pax from a priority standpoint. Similar to how it works for normal pax, you can only be added to the standby list at first, but once that clears, you can then be added to the upgrade list.

TWA884 Jul 7, 2025 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 37191743)
I was under the impression (but I could be wrong, I'm by no means an AA employee travel expert) that once any D1/D2/etc. were confirmed and checked in, that they could be added to the upgrade list, but would be sorted below any normal elite revenue pax from a priority standpoint. Similar to how it works for normal pax, you can only be added to the standby list at first, but once that clears, you can then be added to the upgrade list.

I have some experience with D1/D2 travel. We are never added to the upgrade list, only to the standby list. If and when we clear the standby list, which is after all the upgrades had already been processed, we are assigned the best available seat. There was one time a few years ago in the morning of the 4th of July, when after boarding was complete, an agent came on board and moved me and another NRSA passenger up to F. On the handful of occasions when I had positive space passes, my name was added to the upgrade list below the revenue passengers.

aacar Jul 7, 2025 11:58 pm


Originally Posted by pgh234 (Post 37191542)
I understand enough about the unpredictably of upgrades and that a Saturday of a holiday weekend is favorable. I just don't understand how I could be ahead of 12 people on an upgrade list as a Gold on a Basic Economy fare. Did my 40k LPs really put 12 golds behind me who were also on BE fares? That seems extreme.

There could also have been non-status passengers who had requested mileage upgrades (or potentially were gifted SWUs).

dandarc Jul 8, 2025 9:02 am

Just got a T-100 upgrade - on 777. But only CLT to MIA, so not flagship service and relatively short time to enjoy seat 4A. Plus trip might wind up cancelled altogether as it is a work trip depending on start date for a new team member that hasn't been set yet.

Trip wound up rescheduled (tentatively to end of the month). New flights are cheaper yet and objectively better - only 1 connection both ways. But no lie-flat upgrade possibility for this one - not gonna lie head says "1.5-2.5 hour single connection, getting in before 8 pm is perfect" but heart says "BUT YOU ALMOST NEVER GET TO FLY IN THE BIG PLANES! 2 Connections and getting in at midnight is so much better!"

dandarc Jul 8, 2025 9:05 am


Originally Posted by WannaTheater (Post 37189509)
I believe he means the last 12 months of rolling LPs, which is not listed anywhere. You can determine it by clicking a bunch of buttons, and modifying the activity period (fill in the two date fields with the calendar pickers) to get the results. It would be easy if the app/website posted it, or provided a radio button for “12 month rolling LPs.”

Glad I saw I was quoted - didn't even think of that! so ~412k rolling LP today and declining over next several months for me.

dandarc Jul 8, 2025 9:30 am

Guess I was wondering if success rate on upgrades would go down for me now that my rolling LP is likely to trend down to what should be a more steady level at ~250k from the absurd (to me) 410k I wound up getting to during the 24-25 window. Batting 1.000 in 2025 (including some flights that really did not appear to have space available up until just before or even on the plane), I think only missed one in 2nd half of 2024. Because of where we live / work / family lives, bulk of our travel is usually involving a regional or smaller-hub destination vs. what I suspect are the more elite-heavy routes, so maybe the rolling LP decline won't be much of an issue for me.

jmelch01 Jul 10, 2025 8:14 am

07/10 - PHL-SAN - When the list appeared, we were 1 and 2 with me as EXP and her with no status and 3 available. Both of us just cleared at T-9.

lowkeyflyer Jul 10, 2025 8:56 am

1. You book with P2 on the same reservation (e.g. press checkout only once with multiple passengers added) and do nothing
2. You book with P2 on the same reservation and call in to "split the reservation"
3. You book yourself, then you book P2, then you call in to "connect the reservations"

What is the difference in upgrade scenarios of all 3?

JJeffrey Jul 10, 2025 11:33 am


Originally Posted by lowkeyflyer (Post 37196824)
1. You book with P2 on the same reservation (e.g. press checkout only once with multiple passengers added) and do nothing
2. You book with P2 on the same reservation and call in to "split the reservation"
3. You book yourself, then you book P2, then you call in to "connect the reservations"

What is the difference in upgrade scenarios of all 3?

#1 will only clear if 2 upgrade seats are released at the same time. If only one seat is released, the system will skip over you to the next single request on the waitlist.

There is no difference in #2 and #3. When you call, you tell the agent that "separate is ok", they will set up the request such that if only one seat is released you will get it.

murphy Jul 11, 2025 7:31 am


Originally Posted by WannaTheater (Post 37191569)
The new app/website makes it easier than prior where you no longer have to build the table (i.e. click load more, load more, load more 25 times…)
Now you just click on activity->change dates->custom date range->set start date to a year ago and set end date to today’s date. This will give you the rolling LPs for the last 12 months.

This is a great tip, I hadn't even looked at it recently because it used to be such a pain.


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