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Oct 11, 2023 | 9:52 pm
#46
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https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1712115632534127093
With the dearth of JFK/HND JAL J/F award inventory these days (even last-minute), being able to use a SWU on this route would be nice. Though if it's at the expense of one of the two JAL flights, ...
With the dearth of JFK/HND JAL J/F award inventory these days (even last-minute), being able to use a SWU on this route would be nice. Though if it's at the expense of one of the two JAL flights, ...
Oct 11, 2023 | 11:12 pm
#48
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It's very possible that JL switches one of the flights to NRT to connect with their bank of Asian flights. Selfishly hoping for 3x JFK-HND but I'll take 3x JFK-TYO.
Oct 11, 2023 | 11:16 pm
#49
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-If they have any 773s to spare, I'm guessing they'll start with this
*it's a flagship route
*they might receive a bit of love from the DOT for maximizing capacity
Oct 12, 2023 | 12:15 pm
#50
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I think this is gonna be the likely outcome. I could even see JL putting a 788/9 on the NRT route like they did with a few flights this past winter on their non-daily JFK-NRT route.
Oct 12, 2023 | 12:27 pm
#51
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If AA/JL wanted to add a JFK-NRT flight, there is nothing stopping them from adding it tomorrow, right? So I can't imagine that is the end game.
And I'd think if there was a NRT flight between the 2 carriers, it's more likely that it's AA operated. NRT traffic would be less premium and for connections. Quite honestly that is a better fit for the AA brand vs JL. They are still competing with ANA with 2x/daily JFK-HND and if AA/JL split the frequency they might lose passengers to ANA.
I think AA would run a 772 vs 773 largely because how can AA offer F on this route when they have a JV with JL and the difference between AA and JL F would be so massive. At least until AA F is eliminated
And I'd think if there was a NRT flight between the 2 carriers, it's more likely that it's AA operated. NRT traffic would be less premium and for connections. Quite honestly that is a better fit for the AA brand vs JL. They are still competing with ANA with 2x/daily JFK-HND and if AA/JL split the frequency they might lose passengers to ANA.
I think AA would run a 772 vs 773 largely because how can AA offer F on this route when they have a JV with JL and the difference between AA and JL F would be so massive. At least until AA F is eliminated
Oct 12, 2023 | 3:29 pm
#52
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If AA/JL wanted to add a JFK-NRT flight, there is nothing stopping them from adding it tomorrow, right? So I can't imagine that is the end game.
And I'd think if there was a NRT flight between the 2 carriers, it's more likely that it's AA operated. NRT traffic would be less premium and for connections. Quite honestly that is a better fit for the AA brand vs JL. They are still competing with ANA with 2x/daily JFK-HND and if AA/JL split the frequency they might lose passengers to ANA.
I think AA would run a 772 vs 773 largely because how can AA offer F on this route when they have a JV with JL and the difference between AA and JL F would be so massive. At least until AA F is eliminated
And I'd think if there was a NRT flight between the 2 carriers, it's more likely that it's AA operated. NRT traffic would be less premium and for connections. Quite honestly that is a better fit for the AA brand vs JL. They are still competing with ANA with 2x/daily JFK-HND and if AA/JL split the frequency they might lose passengers to ANA.
I think AA would run a 772 vs 773 largely because how can AA offer F on this route when they have a JV with JL and the difference between AA and JL F would be so massive. At least until AA F is eliminated
Jan 26, 2024 | 5:01 pm
#53
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Looks like AA has been tentatively awarded the JFK-HND flight:
https://www.regulations.gov/document...2019-0014-0126
Edit to add AA release: American Airlines welcomes tentative approval for JFK-HND
https://www.regulations.gov/document...2019-0014-0126
Edit to add AA release: American Airlines welcomes tentative approval for JFK-HND
Jan 26, 2024 | 5:22 pm
#54
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Looks like AA has been tentatively awarded the JFK-HND flight:
https://www.regulations.gov/document...2019-0014-0126
Edit to add AA release: American Airlines welcomes tentative approval for JFK-HND
https://www.regulations.gov/document...2019-0014-0126
Edit to add AA release: American Airlines welcomes tentative approval for JFK-HND
Jan 26, 2024 | 6:28 pm
#56
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If you're booking on miles it'll still be a no brainer to go with JAL on their nonstops from JFK, but the ability to use a SWU on AA metal JFK->HND is fantastic!
Jan 26, 2024 | 8:39 pm
#58
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I hope they add more codeshares too. I've never need able to book a flight from Tokyo to Seoul on aa miles for some reason.
Jan 26, 2024 | 10:24 pm
#59
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Hawaiian just have returned a nighttime HND slot. AA might move its evening HND-LAX by a couple of hours to 10pm departure to utilize that nighttime slot (since arrival of red-eye LAX-HND is already within 'nighttime'), free up one daytime slot, and use for 2nd DFW or elsewhere.. This is definitely a better proposal than UA's potential GUM flight although shifting daytime slot destination may pose a challenge. Let alone AA is short of widebody.
Jan 27, 2024 | 1:48 am
#60
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Looks like the AA flight will tentatively be an early afternoon arrival making it pretty much impractical to connect to SEA-bound red-eyes.
Per OMAAT:
I’ve complained about this already on the JL forum, but it’s very annoying that the only practical AA/JV TPAC flights for further connections are BOS and DFW to NRT. I understand that ultimately HND is all about O/D (including the JL SEA schedule) and this is clearly where everyone thinks the money is, since the situation is only marginally better with UA/NH.
Per OMAAT:
New York to Tokyo Haneda departing 10:00AM arriving 1:05PM (+1 day)
Tokyo Haneda to New York departing 3:05PM arriving 3:10PM
Tokyo Haneda to New York departing 3:05PM arriving 3:10PM