AAdvantage program changes rumored Oct 2021
#16




Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WAS/TYO
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP (3MM), DL PM, BONVOY TITANIUM, HYATT GLOBALIST, HILTON DIAMOND, IHG DIAMOND AMB, et al
Posts: 6,279
#17




Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: NYC/LA
Programs: DL DM, UA Silver, Marriott Titanium/LTP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 9,811
(Im also shocked because AA almost always just copies DL, but in this case they are following UA.)
#18




Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: CLT
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, DL Silver, UA
Posts: 555
So, if AA follows UA, will MQM’s be eliminated as it appears that UA doesn’t have such - if I’m looking at this correctly. After a quick look at UA’s mileage program Elite status, it doesn’t appear that credit card spend counts towards Elite status.
#19



Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The Land of Pleasant Living
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, AA ExecPlat, Amtrak Select Exec, former WN apologist
Posts: 1,939
The move to revenue-based elite earning is way overdue, though I know that is an unpopular opinion here.
Hopefully that is all it is, and there is not a big devaluation. Though I would support a "simpler" redemption structure (e.g. flat 1.5 cents per point on any flight) even if if means less opportunities for hard-to-find spectacular redemption opportunities.
Hopefully that is all it is, and there is not a big devaluation. Though I would support a "simpler" redemption structure (e.g. flat 1.5 cents per point on any flight) even if if means less opportunities for hard-to-find spectacular redemption opportunities.
#20



Join Date: Aug 2016
Programs: Avios
Posts: 530
Bye ,bye 57.5K J redemptions to Europe and maybe 60K J to Japan??????
#21




Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,474
The move to revenue-based elite earning is way overdue, though I know that is an unpopular opinion here.
Hopefully that is all it is, and there is not a big devaluation. Though I would support a "simpler" redemption structure (e.g. flat 1.5 cents per point on any flight) even if if means less opportunities for hard-to-find spectacular redemption opportunities.
Hopefully that is all it is, and there is not a big devaluation. Though I would support a "simpler" redemption structure (e.g. flat 1.5 cents per point on any flight) even if if means less opportunities for hard-to-find spectacular redemption opportunities.
Last edited by olouie; Sep 30, 2021 at 8:17 am
#23


Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Stilllwater OK (SWO)
Programs: AAdvantage Plat Pro, World of Hyatt Globalist, plain "member" of Marriott, IHG, enterprise, etc.
Posts: 2,000
I find the whole tracking miles and segments and dollars all a big headache, especially when it comes to the various ways in which you can get EQM -or- EQD bonuses (but not both). For the last several years, my metrics all co-tracked, so I don't participate in tracking EQM bonuses on my citicard, for example, but it is completely meaningless without also finding the EQDs to go with it.
So, I really wouldn't mind simplification to just EQD just from the logistics standpoint of tracking targets.
Nor, would I mind mileage redemptions to be simpler. I don't have time to spend hours sorting through all of the mileage choices to see if there is any values that aren't a complete torture trip by adding a 9 hour overnight layover, and an extra stop 800 miles in the wrong direction. Of course, they could make them simpler in a way that ruins any chance of finding a good redemption, so I might just shut up now...
One last thing -- I wish Aadvantage would have -some- consideration for infrequent flyers. Have some sort of cumulative tracking towards something of value -- a couple free baggage vouchers, a few 500-mile upgrade stickers (which can actually be used even if you don't have status), MCE upgrades etc.
The vast flying public isn't flying every week for work, but they can still build loyalty and value in the long term if they were treated with something other than complete disdain. People will build loyalty to Carnival, for example, and take 10 cruises over 30 years on just those ships.
So, I really wouldn't mind simplification to just EQD just from the logistics standpoint of tracking targets.
Nor, would I mind mileage redemptions to be simpler. I don't have time to spend hours sorting through all of the mileage choices to see if there is any values that aren't a complete torture trip by adding a 9 hour overnight layover, and an extra stop 800 miles in the wrong direction. Of course, they could make them simpler in a way that ruins any chance of finding a good redemption, so I might just shut up now...
One last thing -- I wish Aadvantage would have -some- consideration for infrequent flyers. Have some sort of cumulative tracking towards something of value -- a couple free baggage vouchers, a few 500-mile upgrade stickers (which can actually be used even if you don't have status), MCE upgrades etc.
The vast flying public isn't flying every week for work, but they can still build loyalty and value in the long term if they were treated with something other than complete disdain. People will build loyalty to Carnival, for example, and take 10 cruises over 30 years on just those ships.
Last edited by MarkOK; Sep 30, 2021 at 8:31 am
#24




Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,474
AA follows anyone who thinks cost savings is the only way to make money. Surprised they arent following frontier and making people pay to sign up for AAvantage haha.
#25


Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: LAS
Programs: LH HON
Posts: 1,221
Going revenue based is good and gives me an incentive to have more AA flights in the future.
#26




Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,474
I find the whole tracking miles and segments and dollars all a big headache, especially when it comes to the various ways in which you can get EQM -or- EQD bonuses (but not both). For the last several years, my metrics all co-tracked, so I don't participate in tracking EQM bonuses on my citicard, for example, but it is completely meaningless without also finding the EQDs to go with it.
So, I really wouldn't mind simplification to just EQD just from the logistics standpoint of tracking targets.
Nor, would I mind mileage redemptions to be simpler. I don't have time to spend hours sorting through all of the mileage choices to see if there is any values that aren't a complete torture trip by adding a 9 hour overnight layover, and an extra stop 800 miles in the wrong direction. Of course, they could make them simpler in a way that ruins any chance of finding a good redemption, so I might just shut up now...
So, I really wouldn't mind simplification to just EQD just from the logistics standpoint of tracking targets.
Nor, would I mind mileage redemptions to be simpler. I don't have time to spend hours sorting through all of the mileage choices to see if there is any values that aren't a complete torture trip by adding a 9 hour overnight layover, and an extra stop 800 miles in the wrong direction. Of course, they could make them simpler in a way that ruins any chance of finding a good redemption, so I might just shut up now...
#27




Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,366
As a former UA 1K, the issue wasn't that they went revenue based for elite status, I could have done that just fine... it's that they biased it toward US based people. The requirement for non-US road warriors was outrageous compared to people flying a buttload of domestic segments. As someone who has been overseas for most of my adult life, I get status from long international flights and have about 6 USA domestic segments per year, made it impossible on UA under the new system. If AA goes the same way I'll just go for BA or JL Emerald status, the AA upgrades wouldn't be worth it anymore and I'd get most of the other AA benefits with either JL or BA status. Emerald is my #1 motivation now but don't fly (US) domestic enough to get it on AS.
#28


Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Stilllwater OK (SWO)
Programs: AAdvantage Plat Pro, World of Hyatt Globalist, plain "member" of Marriott, IHG, enterprise, etc.
Posts: 2,000
The future is this but not in a good way. Mileage redemptions are just going to be whatever they tell you it is without any standard to compare against so lax-nyc could be 80,000 miles, 150,000 miles or 1,200,000 miles on any given day and that’s just what it is. Come back hours or days later and it will change again. That’s pure dynamic pricing. Sure you might save a few thousand miles on a short haul but they aren’t doing it for your benefit. It’s designed to extract maximum miles for minimum value given.
#29



Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The Land of Pleasant Living
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, AA ExecPlat, Amtrak Select Exec, former WN apologist
Posts: 1,939
The future is this but not in a good way. Mileage redemptions are just going to be whatever they tell you it is without any standard to compare against so lax-nyc could be 80,000 miles, 150,000 miles or 1,200,000 miles on any given day and thats just what it is. Come back hours or days later and it will change again. Thats pure dynamic pricing.
#30



Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The Land of Pleasant Living
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, AA ExecPlat, Amtrak Select Exec, former WN apologist
Posts: 1,939
In theory, they shouldn't need a cap - they are just allocating x% of their revenue back to the awards program.

