The Problem with Champagne on the Ground is It’s Prosecco
Sep 8, 2019, 10:52 pm
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Sep 8, 2019, 11:00 pm
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That does indeed say prosecco - prosecco is not exactly uncommon or particularly expensive, so was wondering what the person meant by actual prosecco - are other drinks being passed off as being prosecco?
Sep 8, 2019, 11:04 pm
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I'd start with looking for a DOCG seal on the bottle, that's what I'd classify as actual Prosecco. DOCG prosecco has to be made in a specific regions in Italy.
Sep 8, 2019, 11:07 pm
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Prosecco is an Italian wine controlled by DOC or DOCG. Under these wine laws, Prosecco can be spumante ("sparkling wine"), frizzante ("semi-sparkling wine"), or tranquillo ("still wine"). It is made from Prosecco grapes (renamed within the EU to Glera grapes), but EU rules allow other authorised grape varieties to be included up to a maximum of 15%. Those varieties that can be included with Glera are Verdiso, Bianchetta Trevigiana, Perera, Chardonnay, Pinot Bianco, Pinot Grigio and Pinot Noir vinified white. The name Prosecco is derived from the Italian village of Prosecco near Trieste, where the grape and the wine may have originated.
Prosecco DOC is produced in nine provinces spanning the Veneto and Friuli Venezia Giulia regions. Meanwhile, Prosecco Superiore DOCG comes in two forms: Prosecco Conegliano Valdobbiadene Superiore DOCG, which can only be made in the Treviso province of Veneto on the hills between the towns of Conegliano and Valdobbiadene (north of Treviso), and the nearby smaller Asolo Prosecco Superiore DOCG, across the River Piave and produced near the town of Asolo.
Prosecco DOC is produced in nine provinces spanning the Veneto and Friuli Venezia Giulia regions. Meanwhile, Prosecco Superiore DOCG comes in two forms: Prosecco Conegliano Valdobbiadene Superiore DOCG, which can only be made in the Treviso province of Veneto on the hills between the towns of Conegliano and Valdobbiadene (north of Treviso), and the nearby smaller Asolo Prosecco Superiore DOCG, across the River Piave and produced near the town of Asolo.
Sep 8, 2019, 11:15 pm
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Those ones do have specific requirements - but unless someone is adertising that they are offering Prosecco DOCG , rather than just Prosecco , there is no issue and it is still Prosecco - unlike champagne , where all drinks sold as champagne have to meet specific requirements
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Sep 8, 2019, 11:25 pm
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Those ones do have specific requirements - but unless someone is adertising that they are offering Prosecco DOCG , rather than just Prosecco , there is no issue and it is still Prosecco - unlike champagne , where all drinks sold as champagne have to meet specific requirements
Sep 9, 2019, 12:03 am
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Prosecco is governed under DOC and DOCG law, these laws are similar to France's Appellation d'origine contrôlée or AOC laws, which champagne falls under. If someone is labelling and selling something as prosecco it will be DOC or DOCG usually printed on the label, like in the picture above or sealed with a seal. Champagne tends to be more expensive due to the increased labor that goes into the champagne method as well as the availability of quality grapes from the region.
If the term prosecco is itself a protected marque and only those that comply with such requirements can call the drink that, then , indeed, other drinks should not be being called prosecco
Checking the online stores locally there are proseccos for sale with no reference that I can see to DOC on the label
Sep 9, 2019, 6:38 am
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If the term prosecco is itself a protected marque and only those that comply with such requirements can call the drink that, then , indeed, other drinks should not be being called prosecco
Checking the online stores locally there are proseccos for sale with no reference that I can see to DOC on the label
Checking the online stores locally there are proseccos for sale with no reference that I can see to DOC on the label
If it says Prosecco on the label but was made in the USA, then perhaps not. It’s exactly the same as the oceans of fake ‘Champagne’ that used to be sold in the US.
Sep 9, 2019, 6:40 am
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The Prosecco that AA serves may be, but not all Prosecco is. Far from it.
Price ≠ quality, flavor or desirability. People on FT swoon over even the mention of Krug; yet I don't particularly care for it because of its flavor characteristics. (Happy to go into detail by PM if anyone cares.) I much prefer pretty much anything from Veuve Clicquot. It seems to be pretty common on FT for people to assess wines by their retail cost. Makes me wonder how they'd do in a blind taste test between, say, VC LGD and Krug. While there are, of course, some oenophiles for whom this wouldn't be a challenge, I'm quite convinced that many of those here who hold themselves out to be champagne experts (read snobs) wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Price ≠ quality, flavor or desirability. People on FT swoon over even the mention of Krug; yet I don't particularly care for it because of its flavor characteristics. (Happy to go into detail by PM if anyone cares.) I much prefer pretty much anything from Veuve Clicquot. It seems to be pretty common on FT for people to assess wines by their retail cost. Makes me wonder how they'd do in a blind taste test between, say, VC LGD and Krug. While there are, of course, some oenophiles for whom this wouldn't be a challenge, I'm quite convinced that many of those here who hold themselves out to be champagne experts (read snobs) wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Sep 9, 2019, 6:46 am
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(1) Andre Extra Dry Champagne* is "cheap", so they could still serve this instead of Prosecco and be truthful in saying they are serving Champagne
(2) When I flew intl. bc AA never served inflight Champagne as good as what you got in the Flagship Lounge in JFK.
*A google search = around $1/750ml bottle
(2) When I flew intl. bc AA never served inflight Champagne as good as what you got in the Flagship Lounge in JFK.
*A google search = around $1/750ml bottle
Sep 9, 2019, 3:34 pm
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The Prosecco that AA serves may be, but not all Prosecco is. Far from it.
Price ≠ quality, flavor or desirability. People on FT swoon over even the mention of Krug; yet I don't particularly care for it because of its flavor characteristics. (Happy to go into detail by PM if anyone cares.) I much prefer pretty much anything from Veuve Clicquot. It seems to be pretty common on FT for people to assess wines by their retail cost. Makes me wonder how they'd do in a blind taste test between, say, VC LGD and Krug. While there are, of course, some oenophiles for whom this wouldn't be a challenge, I'm quite convinced that many of those here who hold themselves out to be champagne experts (read snobs) wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Price ≠ quality, flavor or desirability. People on FT swoon over even the mention of Krug; yet I don't particularly care for it because of its flavor characteristics. (Happy to go into detail by PM if anyone cares.) I much prefer pretty much anything from Veuve Clicquot. It seems to be pretty common on FT for people to assess wines by their retail cost. Makes me wonder how they'd do in a blind taste test between, say, VC LGD and Krug. While there are, of course, some oenophiles for whom this wouldn't be a challenge, I'm quite convinced that many of those here who hold themselves out to be champagne experts (read snobs) wouldn't be able to tell the difference.