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JonNYC Jan 18, 2019 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 30673179)
...So, yes, I'm confident JonNYC is correct re: PE awards, but I wonder if that is what this agent is alluding too or if there might be something else.

Absolutely agree- 100%

The question was asked:

anyone have any inkling about pending Aadvantage program changes?
and I answered:

Yes, I do
and linked to info that I know for certain is a coming AAdv change.

But very very true that there's no way for me to know what the agent was referring to and how much of it was this, although with he OP's clarification above, I think I, for one, can see why this agent might have thought this was a -somewhat- pertinent way to change the subject a bit :)

javabytes Jan 19, 2019 1:54 am

Sounds quite possible there are multiple changes afoot, if PE awards are happening by EOM and OP was told about some change in March.

The introduction of PE awards has me concerned that the opportunity will be seized to increase J prices simultaneously. You know, to “remain competitive” and provide differentiation between the products.

I’m still waiting for the fare-based redemption shoe to drop, but I always figured it’d be Delta first.

Either way, a good reminder for me to burn a fat pile of miles this month.

IADCAflyer Jan 19, 2019 5:10 am

I remember the LIT-NRT calls. I would think that XNA-PVG would be more successful.

Antarius Jan 19, 2019 6:13 am


Originally Posted by IADCAflyer (Post 30674150)
I remember the LIT-NRT calls. I would think that XNA-PVG would be more successful.

XNA-PEK. Since PEK is the real cash cow!

IADCAflyer Jan 19, 2019 6:17 am


Originally Posted by Antarius (Post 30674269)
XNA-PEK. Since PEK is the real cash cow!

Either one works. I've found the major manufacturing centers are more likely to be a larger in and around Shanghai. Although Tianjin is no slouch.

boss315 Jan 19, 2019 6:38 am


Originally Posted by gradboozer (Post 30672399)
Introduction of PE awards at current J sAAver levels. J and F awards go up.

Gotta stay optimistic.

that’s my bet!

JonNYC Jan 19, 2019 6:42 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 30673795)
Sounds quite possible there are multiple changes afoot, if PE awards are happening by EOM and OP was told about some change in March.

The introduction of PE awards has me concerned that the opportunity will be seized to increase J prices simultaneously. You know, to “remain competitive” and provide differentiation between the products.

I’m still waiting for the fare-based redemption shoe to drop, but I always figured it’d be Delta first.

No actual reason to assume any of that.

Uncle Nonny Jan 19, 2019 6:49 am

Unlimited Coke Zeros.

rrgg Jan 19, 2019 8:38 am

We have info from jackonferry and JonNYC. Why is there so much speculation about everything else? That’s all it is.

zozeppelin Jan 19, 2019 8:46 am


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 30671981)
Speaking only for myself (but many others, I suspect) - I have no issues with the charts, really - it's the availability that kills me.

Speaking only for myself (but many others, I suspect) - I have no issues with the segment availability - it's combining available segments into an available trip that kills me.

AndyAA Jan 19, 2019 8:56 am

I’m sure the agent was just using a very healthy dose of sarcasm. You’ll really appreciate the ability of being able to use the SWUs to book into the new award category of PE and enjoy the opportunity of using a second SWU to get into J from Y which effectively increases award availablity in J.

LHSEN Jan 19, 2019 9:18 am

I’d guess :

- SWU to business can book into I class with co-pay;
- business award to I class with co-pay
- first award to A class with co-pay
- maybe they’ll finally introduce officially CK to public with published qualification requirements
- Rest of oneworld carriers award bookable online

.... I’ve other ridiculous ideas but rather not post ;-) ...

scubadu Jan 19, 2019 9:25 am


Originally Posted by rrgg (Post 30674598)
We have info from jackonferry and JonNYC. Why is there so much speculation about everything else? That’s all it is.

Umm... because this is FT and probably about +90% of content in these forums is nothing but pure speculation?

Regards

SAN_Finn Jan 19, 2019 10:24 am

Hope they allow redeeming PE on partners at reasonable rates after the change.

teemuflyer Jan 19, 2019 10:25 am


Originally Posted by LHSEN (Post 30674743)
I’d guess :

- SWU to business can book into I class with co-pay;
- business award to I class with co-pay
- first award to A class with co-pay
- maybe they’ll finally introduce officially CK to public with published qualification requirements
- Rest of oneworld carriers award bookable online

.... I’ve other ridiculous ideas but rather not post ;-) ...

To add to this dream list-
Ability to book a R/T ticket with one direction using awards and the other paid in cash. That would be a game changer for me, at least

sdsearch Jan 19, 2019 10:55 am


Originally Posted by cova (Post 30672958)
How about eliminating capacity controls on awards - ala WN!

Before making suggestions that AA emulate another airline, please learn how that airline actually works.

WN does have capacity control on awards, it's just that they're the same as the capacity controls on the lowest paid fares. The moment the lowest paid fares sell out, awards at WN jump to a much higher level.

If AA were to do that, what you'd see is awards at the current level only book Basic Economy, and once Basic Economy sells out, they jump way up in price. Is that what you really want??? :confused;

Remember, WN is a single-cabin open-seating airline, so any "copying" of a WN policy by AA would undoubtedly be greatly modified by AA to fit AA's multi-class system.

So please be careful what wish for, because a totally distorted form of it may come true (since what you wish for cannot come true in the form you wish it without AA becoming a single-cabin open-seating airline).

ijgordon Jan 19, 2019 11:10 am

Is nobody yet bracing for a change in the upgrade award chart (incl SWUs) that truly limits upgrades to 1-cabin? So no more Y-to-J. I suppose that’s not in the context of “changes you’ll like” per the OP, but it’s inevitable, no?
That said, if perhaps they concurrently allow complimentary/ sticker upgrades from Y to PE for elites, in-line with the domestic upgrade program, maybe that’s a reasonable enough offset. And frankly, given PE pricing hasn’t been that much terribly higher than Y, requiring PE to upgrade to J isn’t really the end of the world.

Steve M Jan 19, 2019 11:39 am


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 30675052)
WN does have capacity control on awards, it's just that they're the same as the capacity controls on the lowest paid fares. The moment the lowest paid fares sell out, awards at WN jump to a much higher level.

That's not the only problem. In addition to capacity controls, revenue fare rules on WN also apply to award travel. For example, looking at HOU-LAX just now, I see that that the lowest one-way fare is $70, but it's only available if you book at least 7 days in advance. For close-in bookings, the fare jumps to $592 (full fare) because of the fare rules, regardless of whether or not the lower-fare buckets "sold out." That's more or less a 700% surcharge for bookings less than a week out, and because of how Rapid Rewards is structured, that applies equally to award redemptions. As has already been said: be careful what you wish for.

JonNYC Jan 19, 2019 11:45 am


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 30675105)
Is nobody yet bracing for a change in the upgrade award chart (incl SWUs) that truly limits upgrades to 1-cabin? So no more Y-to-J.

Like the reported "training" that began 9 months ago? :rolleyes:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-w-pe-j-f.html

pmblinn Jan 19, 2019 1:11 pm

New fare class: D-MR.
If AA suspects you are on a paid Business mileage run, earning will be:
EQM: estimated distance from your house to your departing airport
EQD: average cost of a gallon of milk between your city pairs

bse118 Jan 19, 2019 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 30675105)
Is nobody yet bracing for a change in the upgrade award chart (incl SWUs) that truly limits upgrades to 1-cabin? So no more Y-to-J. I suppose that’s not in the context of “changes you’ll like” per the OP, but it’s inevitable, no?

Nope. I am not wasting any time thinking about a possible change that may or may not come at some unspecified time in the future. I will think about such a change when/if it is announced. In the meantime I will just go about my business as usual - which in the current moment is sweating out a Y-->J SWU request for a longhaul on this coming Monday to see if my track record of never missing an SWU request continues....

Zacnlinc Jan 19, 2019 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 30675105)
Is nobody yet bracing for a change in the upgrade award chart (incl SWUs) that truly limits upgrades to 1-cabin? So no more Y-to-J. I suppose that’s not in the context of “changes you’ll like” per the OP, but it’s inevitable, no?
That said, if perhaps they concurrently allow complimentary/ sticker upgrades from Y to PE for elites, in-line with the domestic upgrade program, maybe that’s a reasonable enough offset. And frankly, given PE pricing hasn’t been that much terribly higher than Y, requiring PE to upgrade to J isn’t really the end of the world.

Exactly.... That's kinda why I've been shopping AA for a PE fare out of SFO to ICN for next month. Fae wise, the SFO-DFW-ICN route is winning for the dates I've searched for. No PE fares showing despite the DFW-ICN leg has PE seating. Hmmmm...

HLCinCOU Jan 19, 2019 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 30675192)
Like the reported "training" that began 9 months ago? :rolleyes:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-w-pe-j-f.html

That link got broken somehow; easy enough to manually clean up though, here it is.

For those wondering, it's JDiver reporting a rumor of exactly our fears, and noting it's totally unverified. And also noting JonNYC disagrees.

HLCinCOU Jan 19, 2019 4:17 pm

So weird....now when I click the link that's in the quoted part of my own post, it works....but still, clicking the link in JonNYC's original post gives a 404 (b/c obvious double-pasting of URL). If it always worked for everybody else, my apologies for an unnecessary post.

Antarius Jan 19, 2019 6:04 pm


Originally Posted by bse118 (Post 30675490)
Nope. I am not wasting any time thinking about a possible change that may or may not come at some unspecified time in the future. I will think about such a change when/if it is announced. In the meantime I will just go about my business as usual - which in the current moment is sweating out a Y-->J SWU request for a longhaul on this coming Monday to see if my track record of never missing an SWU request continues....

this.

No point worrying. That said, I'm not holding onto SWUs and miles indefinitely with the expectation that they appreciate. Enjoy it while it is there.

reeg2 Jan 19, 2019 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 30675105)
Is nobody yet bracing for a change in the upgrade award chart (incl SWUs) that truly limits upgrades to 1-cabin? So no more Y-to-J. I suppose that’s not in the context of “changes you’ll like” per the OP, but it’s inevitable, no?

My view: AA already "fixed" any internal issue with SWU Y-J by making them hard to confirm until the very last second. Getting rid of them would be a disaster for the program that targets the higher spenders. By making them basically-impossible to use in advance, they provide better value to AA by simply taking seats they couldn't sell.

JonNYC Jan 19, 2019 6:33 pm


Originally Posted by bse118 (Post 30675490)
Nope. I am not wasting any time thinking about a possible change that may or may not come at some unspecified time in the future. I will think about such a change when/if it is announced. In the meantime I will just go about my business as usual - which in the current moment is sweating out a Y-->J SWU request for a longhaul on this coming Monday to see if my track record of never missing an SWU request continues....

Bravo.

Imagine if one planned their SWU usage etc around posts like this, last year?

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29687867-post103.html

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...l#post29692247

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29682223-post52.html

bse118 Jan 19, 2019 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 30676725)

Fantastic for you. So why are you even in this thread that is clearly about rumored changes? I mean the first word of the title is “Rumor.” :confused:

So you ask a question on an internet discussion forum and are surprised when someone answers? OK then...

Point being it's entertaining to read some of these rumor threads. They don't give me (or anyone, really) any actionable info, so I don't change my behavior based on them.

matrixwalker2012 Jan 19, 2019 10:55 pm


Originally Posted by Antarius (Post 30672650)
Anecdotally, a lot. Judging by how airlines who have had PE for a while (BA) have kept it and others like the US3 are adding it as fast as possible, it seems that the math is working as well.

Last week SIN-IAH was 1000 in Y, 1400 in W and 4500 in J one way. There wasn't a chance I was going to spend 4500 one way on J - I'm far too cheap for that. I booked PE and applies a SWU from NRT to DFW. PE on JL is excellent, I cleared to J on AA and I got the bonus EQMs. No brainer, IMO.

AA essentially got a $400 copay out of you plus the SWU for you to sit in J. Pretty crafty actually.

eventually when PE-J upgrade requests take priority over Y-J upgrades, then the PE cabin can basically serve as a hidden copay AA can charge for using your SWU.

mvoight Jan 19, 2019 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by SeeBuyFly (Post 30671942)
The info from JonNYC is not so useful without an award chart. Will they price it closer to J than to Y, in the hope of making people think it is a premium product?

Also, why would a disgruntled ExPlat become gruntled because of this?

They will probably make it the same as the current business, price business as the current first, and increase first

Air Houston Jan 19, 2019 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 30674774)
Umm... because this is FT and probably about +90% of content in these forums is nothing but pure speculation?

Regards

Between speculation, hyperbole, and post-padding you’ve got most of it covered

teemuflyer Jan 19, 2019 11:49 pm


Originally Posted by Zacnlinc (Post 30675983)
Exactly.... That's kinda why I've been shopping AA for a PE fare out of SFO to ICN for next month. Fae wise, the SFO-DFW-ICN route is winning for the dates I've searched for. No PE fares showing despite the DFW-ICN leg has PE seating. Hmmmm...

Hi Zacnlinc! Hope you are well..

I think the issue is not with the actual DFW-ICN PE portion, but rather the SFO-DFW segment as it is not PE and it reverts to Y. Unfortunately sometimes I think AA IT systems has problems handling this. Go figure!

uxb Jan 20, 2019 6:01 am

What will happen is that TATL economy awards will drop from 30k to 10/15/20k to match what BA charges now. The caveat? Good luck finding availability on a non-BA flight to avoid YQ. PE will be priced at 30k.

JonNYC Jan 20, 2019 6:32 am


Originally Posted by mvoight (Post 30676922)
They will probably make it the same as the current business, price business as the current first, and increase first

No

LHSEN Jan 20, 2019 6:43 am


Originally Posted by teemuflyer (Post 30674963)
To add to this dream list-
Ability to book a R/T ticket with one direction using awards and the other paid in cash. That would be a game changer for me, at least

Two more onto wishlist

- SWU can be used on any oneworld members
- upgrade award with miles extended to all oneworld members

GUWonder Jan 20, 2019 6:56 am


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 30672823)
I'm generally a tightwad, but even I don't think 5K is a "reasonable" premium for PE over standard economy. If you are hoping for that, I think you are likely to be disappointed.

Regards

45k miles in at least one program get me TATL business class one-way, so I wouldn’t find a 10k-20k premium — meaning 40k-50k AA miles for TATL PE — to be all that reasonable. Especially if AA ends up doing to PE award availability what it has done to TATL economy award availability: marrying it mostly to rip-off YQ/fuel surcharges by gutting availability on AA metal and hoping to get customers to pay AA YQ for BA flights; and using the multi-tier pricing to gut the availability at the lowest mileage prices.

Toss in AA’s use of married segment logic to game award availability/pricing, and I’m not holding much hope that AA is going to do anything really rewarding for me with the upcoming award chart revisions and award travel booking overall.


Originally Posted by uxb (Post 30677648)
What will happen is that TATL economy awards will drop from 30k to 10/15/20k to match what BA charges now. The caveat? Good luck finding availability on a non-BA flight to avoid YQ. PE will be priced at 30k.

I would be surprised if AA were to be even that “generous”, but I would welcome that.

scubadu Jan 20, 2019 7:36 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 30677760)
45k miles in at least one program get me TATL business class one-way, so I wouldn’t find a 10k-20k premium — meaning 40k-50k AA miles for TATL PE — to be all that reasonable.

The fact that their is one program with a 45K award for TATL business does not mean that AA will benchmark based on that one, lowest cost data point. Again, you all can wish/hope for whatever you like, then come here and complain about it later when what they announce is, you know... not that. I'm just saying if people think AA is going to price PE @ 35K when standard economy is 30K, they are likely to be disappointed.


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 30677760)
Toss in AA’s use of married segment logic to game award availability/pricing, and I’m not holding much hope that AA is going to do anything really rewarding for me with the upcoming award chart revisions and award travel booking overall.

I think the discussion/rumor/speculation is simply that AA is going to announce premium economy award charts. I don't think anyone (certainly not me) is implying that all the sudden it's going to turn into the land of milk and honey with more award availability. Has anyone implied that? My assumption is that PE awards will likely be as scarce and hard to obtain as any other AA award, relatively speaking.

Regards

JDiver Jan 20, 2019 8:39 am


Originally Posted by HLCinCOU (Post 30676015)
That link got broken somehow; easy enough to manually clean up though, here it is.

For those wondering, it's JDiver reporting a rumor of exactly our fears, and noting it's totally unverified. And also noting JonNYC disagrees.

I did report that rumor. And


Today, member shadymg posted here:

...Basically what she said, off the record, was that technically they have started training their CSRs to say that Economy seats when using an SWU can only be upgraded to the "next cabin" which would be Premium Economy.

OTOH, JonNYC doesn’t agree.

Caveat: as indicated by the thread title, this is a rumor without any verification or hard data.
The rumored 77W FAT-SZX flight starting this summer is also a rumor without any verification or hard data. ;)

The thread link is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-w-pe-j-f.html

IADCAflyer Jan 20, 2019 9:09 am

I'm waiting for the Fresno to Fukuoka service....

GUWonder Jan 20, 2019 10:16 am


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 30677873)
The fact that their is one program with a 45K award for TATL business does not mean that AA will benchmark based on that one, lowest cost data point. Again, you all can wish/hope for whatever you like, then come here and complain about it later when what they announce is, you know... not that. I'm just saying if people think AA is going to price PE @ 35K when standard economy is 30K, they are likely to be disappointed.


I think the discussion/rumor/speculation is simply that AA is going to announce premium economy award charts. I don't think anyone (certainly not me) is implying that all the sudden it's going to turn into the land of milk and honey with more award availability. Has anyone implied that? My assumption is that PE awards will likely be as scarce and hard to obtain as any other AA award, relatively speaking.

Regards

I was just informing why I would still find the range of PE mark-up over economy class to be a poor value for me and no reasonable incentive for me to increase my collection of AA miles from flying AA or AA program partner airlines.


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