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Originally Posted by matrixwalker2012
(Post 30676913)
AA essentially got a $400 copay out of you plus the SWU for you to sit in J. Pretty crafty actually. eventually when PE-J upgrade requests take priority over Y-J upgrades, then the PE cabin can basically serve as a hidden copay AA can charge for using your SWU. between a 7 hour PE flight and the EQM bonus, it was well worth it, IMO. |
Originally Posted by teemuflyer
(Post 30676993)
Hi Zacnlinc! Hope you are well..
I think the issue is not with the actual DFW-ICN PE portion, but rather the SFO-DFW segment as it is not PE and it reverts to Y. Unfortunately sometimes I think AA IT systems has problems handling this. Go figure! |
Originally Posted by Zacnlinc
(Post 30678641)
True...But how does it work that my next flight (SFO-DFW-SCL) offers PE on all segments even though the SFO-DFW leg is a Y fare class ticket. The DFW-SCL segment is a W fare class ticket. Just do not understand why AA is blocking out PE fares for my SFO-DFW-ICN segments. It's just a Q fare class ticket for both legs of the trip.
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 30678762)
What flight from SFO-DFW offers premium economy? Looking at a 1 week period, the flights seem toonly have economy and business class cabins
I'm not expecting to have a PE seat for SFO-DFW legs, just a fare class ticket. The only PE fare I currently have is SFO-DFW-SCL. Have been looking for the same fare class on for SFO-DFW-ICN. |
Originally Posted by Zacnlinc
(Post 30678856)
I am perhaps not explaining this correctly.... Will try again.
I'm not expecting to have a PE seat for SFO-DFW legs, just a fare class ticket. The only PE fare I currently have is SFO-DFW-SCL. Have been looking for the same fare class on for SFO-DFW-ICN. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 30677760)
I would be surprised if AA were to be even that “generous”, but I would welcome that.
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I’m resigned to the reality that the frequent flyer programs are no longer very appealing to my specific situtation. Once in a while, I’ll enjoy some kind of perk, but they’ve all been diluted to the point of oddities and waste. Those 500 mile upgrades? Useless. A business class ticket from East Coast USA to Europe? Pffft. Good luck unless you waste 100,000’s of miles. Boarding priority? As if it matters when all the scammers roll up in their wheelchairs with whole family in tow. Same people from the wheelchairs are suddenly healed upon arrival and sprint off the plane. My visits to Admirals Clubs have been disheartening. Seemingly overrun by a herd of ravenous goats whenever I enter the one at CLT. In PHL’s, the service is surly and hardly anything on offer food-wise. LAX, dirty, also overrun many times. By contrast, other companies’ clubs I visit in Madrid, specifically, and elsewhere are amazing with the food and service. Some of this is due to the airline, most of it do to the passengers. It is what it is. The race to the bottom continues, including among much of the flying public who feels no compunction to behave rationallyl and courteous. Oh, let me carry on this engine block, spare pistons, and all the tools to rebuild my son’s truck ‘68 Corvette. What? I can’t?! Are you kidding me!!!! Waaaaahhhhhhhh! Mommmieeeeee! Blah, blah, blah. To diminish the frustration, I’m finding ways to fly less, thereby opening seats I would occupy to others who may find the experience to their liking. Flying just isn’t a joy anymore, except on some shorter flights on the regional jets that are typically quite clean, friendly staff, and comfortable. |
Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 30680969)
I don't think it will be as generous as you think. With the reduction of miles, AA will likely tack on a YQ that matches BA; ending any prospect of a fee-free trip to London going forward.
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Maybe won't happen immediately but I don't think there is enough of a bump in miles between Y and J to support PE in the medium to long term. J devaluation is inevitable but maybe AA will keep from doing it for a year or so.
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Originally Posted by scubadu
(Post 30677873)
My assumption is that PE awards will likely be as scarce and hard to obtain as any other AA award, relatively speaking.
Regards Now, if we end up seeing J awards where the downgrade segments are to PE rather than Y that would be nice. |
Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 30680969)
I don't think it will be as generous as you think. With the reduction of miles, AA will likely tack on a YQ that matches BA; ending any prospect of a fee-free trip to London going forward.
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Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 30680969)
I don't think it will be as generous as you think. With the reduction of miles, AA will likely tack on a YQ that matches BA; ending any prospect of a fee-free trip to London going forward.
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 30681248)
Are ya done?
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 30681408)
I have no expectation of AA being generous, as AA management seem to feed too well from gutting the value AA customers get out of each mile redeemed for tickets and from fleecing its customers. But AA attaching YQ to AA metal flights using AA miles is unlikely to go beyond whatever DL or UA do for their own metal flights. |
Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 30682113)
...Of course, since it IS a speculation thread...
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 30682957)
It didn't actually start out that way-- it was an intelligent question (the OP's) and highly informed answer to same (mine.)
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 30673248)
But very very true that there's no way for me to know what the agent was referring to and how much of it was this...
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Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 30682992)
All I saw was "Rumor" at the top, which is FT lingo for speculation thread, so my apologies. :)
Originally Posted by SeeBuyFly
(Post 30683033)
Yep, it's a hard news thread.
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 30683110)
Fair enough, appreciated, but at the same time you end up enabling detritus like this:
Not everyone is able to keep up, in other words. |
Originally Posted by matrixwalker2012
(Post 30676913)
...when PE-J upgrade requests take priority over Y-J upgrades, then the PE cabin can basically serve as a hidden copay AA can charge for using your SWU.
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So, Jon (or anyone else with an intelligent instinct, but especially Jon!) -- I'm ready to book an award to Venice in October (on 332, so with PE). Only Y available for my dates with miles, and I'd pay for MCE. Should I hold off for a bit to see if PE is available soon with miles? Or just book now while I can? If I pay cash fee for MCE, and then I'm later able add miles to move up to PE, would I get my MCE fees back? Any knowledge that PE won't be available for Oct flights to Europe, etc? Any advice is very much appreciated!
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Originally Posted by rbw5t
(Post 30687252)
So, Jon (or anyone else with an intelligent instinct, but especially Jon!) -- I'm ready to book an award to Venice in October (on 332, so with PE). Only Y available for my dates with miles, and I'd pay for MCE. Should I hold off for a bit to see if PE is available soon with miles? Or just book now while I can? If I pay cash fee for MCE, and then I'm later able add miles to move up to PE, would I get my MCE fees back? Any knowledge that PE won't be available for Oct flights to Europe, etc? Any advice is very much appreciated!
I would book what you can now and then see if PE becomes an offered award and whether there is any availability |
Originally Posted by rbw5t
(Post 30687252)
So, Jon (or anyone else with an intelligent instinct, but especially Jon!) -- I'm ready to book an award to Venice in October (on 332, so with PE). Only Y available for my dates with miles, and I'd pay for MCE. Should I hold off for a bit to see if PE is available soon with miles? Or just book now while I can? If I pay cash fee for MCE, and then I'm later able add miles to move up to PE, would I get my MCE fees back? Any knowledge that PE won't be available for Oct flights to Europe, etc? Any advice is very much appreciated!
But it's not 100% clear how AA will handle the anticipated potential flood of people that might be looking to suddenly change from held economy awards to new PE awards (at the very moderate mileage up-charge for same,) so, if you can give it a couple days, might be worth it to wait. Again, only if you feel some confidence that you won't lose the economy awards by waiting (and all this assuming the rollout isn't delayed.) |
IIRC, the terms and conditions of the MCE purchase are that they are, in fact, refundable if you “pay to upgrade cabin class.”
I’m not 100% certain that a mileage/copay upgrade qualifies as such, but I read it that way (and am in the process of seeking such a refund.) Arguably cancelling and redeeming a higher-class reward is a different ballgame, so I’d probably say caveat emptor in the absence of more specific data points. |
Once again, the best takeaway from this thread is the creative use of language like "detritus" by JonNYC.
Also, bring on the PE award chart, at whatever level it is. ^ |
Originally Posted by econometrics
(Post 30688724)
Once again, the best takeaway from this thread is the creative use of language like "detritus" by JonNYC.
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 30690829)
*second* best takeaway (for the doubters) I’d maintain ;) |
Now that AA PE awards are apparently coming on 24 Jan 2019, please carry out discussion in https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...an-2019-a.html.
Thank you, Moderator |
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