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LINDEGR Aug 30, 2019 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by no1cub17 (Post 31468092)
They could also make saaver awards available. But AA cares more about making sure nonrevs get those last minute F seats.

Dougie's two masters: Shareholders and non-revs. Sad!

carlosdca Aug 30, 2019 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by LINDEGR (Post 31474586)
The more appropriate question is to ask why do you accept the status quo of not sticker upgrades from J to F on transcons. It is illogical and unfair.

You accept It because IT is what is.
having a tantrum on FT does nothing for things to change.
The way to make changes is to vote with your wallet. Go somewhere else.
Oh wait. Do DL or UA even offer international F?

LINDEGR Sep 3, 2019 11:00 am


Originally Posted by carlosdca (Post 31475419)
You accept It because IT is what is.
having a tantrum on FT does nothing for things to change.
The way to make changes is to vote with your wallet. Go somewhere else.
Oh wait. Do DL or UA even offer international F?

Fascinating. Did you even read my posts? I am referring to DOMESTIC J to F upgrades using the existing "sticker" upgrades. Further, it is not a "tantrum" to explain one's opinions! Next I will guess I will be labeled hysterical....

ijgordon Sep 3, 2019 12:26 pm

Oh wait, do DL or UA even offer DOMESTIC [3-class] F?

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Sep 3, 2019 12:35 pm

LAA never allowed for sticker upgrades from International J to F and never rolled the J cabin forward other than in Y oversells. So this isn't Parker induced. Like the old saying goes if traveling in a particular premium cabin is so important to your happiness than pay for that class of service.

BarrenLucidity Sep 3, 2019 7:44 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 30408067)
cash is king for cheapo-Parker. Remember, he'll never lose money again.

Considering he's paid 100% in stock he's losing a lot of money lately

carlosdca Sep 3, 2019 10:54 pm


Originally Posted by LINDEGR (Post 31486174)
Fascinating. Did you even read my posts? I am referring to DOMESTIC J to F upgrades using the existing "sticker" upgrades. Further, it is not a "tantrum" to explain one's opinions! Next I will guess I will be labeled hysterical....

EXP don't earn stickers.
Not going to happen anyway.
Accept it or vote with your wallet by going somewhere else. In the meantime, yes, FT allows opinion and wishes to be posted.

joeyE Sep 5, 2019 4:12 pm

I think there’s room for AA policy change on the ~520 mile routes (CLT-MEM/TPA as examples).
I’d be ok with burning 1 on a short flight but not 2. Surely they can find a happy medium that allows them to help customers burn upgrades (which is desirable) instead of letting F seats go empty.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Sep 5, 2019 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by joeyE (Post 31494967)
I think there’s room for AA policy change on the ~520 mile routes (CLT-MEM/TPA as examples).
I’d be ok with burning 1 on a short flight but not 2. Surely they can find a happy medium that allows them to help customers burn upgrades (which is desirable) instead of letting F seats go empty.

LAA there were no complimentary sub 500 upgrades for GLD and PLT. This was a step in the right direction. Since sticker upgrades generate revenue I don't see AA changing the formula of either allowing the first 500 miles to be free for 500 mile+ flights or a buffer. IIRC LAA had a 50 mile buffer so a flight of 520 miles would have still required only one sticker, or now would be free. I just don't see AA giving up that revenue. Not with Parker around.

D3Kingg Sep 5, 2019 10:45 pm


Originally Posted by LINDEGR (Post 31474592)
Dougie's two masters: Shareholders and non-revs. Sad!

Dougie doesn’t deal with non revs. He was asked a question about non rev travel during an end of quarter call once and looking around for the nearest exit before delegating the question to another person who responded we’ll look into it at a later time.
They should eliminate first class on the transcon and expand business class to 30 seats. That would increase your chances of an upgrade and put non revs in economy.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Sep 6, 2019 6:43 am


Originally Posted by D3KingAmerican (Post 31495773)

Dougie doesn’t deal with non revs. He was asked a question about non rev travel during an end of quarter call once and looking around for the nearest exit before delegating the question to another person who responded we’ll look into it at a later time.
They should eliminate first class on the transcon and expand business class to 30 seats. That would increase your chances of an upgrade and put non revs in economy.

Studio executives and A talent have contracts that require F (or top premium cabin) flying. AA has successfully cashed in on this. I remember reading that Parker doubted the viability of a 3 class cabin on a domestic route until he saw the numbers. Admittedly if AA continues down the road of operational issues then that AAdvantage goes away because the high priced flyer isn't going to be happy when flights continually arrive hours late. Premium cabins aren't built solely to give upgrades.

FAA1996 Sep 6, 2019 8:10 am

F in any 3 cabin plane is an incentive for me to keep flying AA as SWUs are only beneficial to me when I can go from J to F. Also, any empty seat in F or J is a godsend, especially of it's the seat next to mine.

LINDEGR Sep 7, 2019 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge (Post 31496648)
Studio executives and A talent have contracts that require F (or top premium cabin) flying. AA has successfully cashed in on this.

Yes, that is now the urban legend of AA defenders of this crazy approach (not you). Yes we see on AA.com F being sold for LESS than J!!! Bottom line is that there are lots of people (few of which run movie studios) who need to fly coast to coast; both UA and DL make money with a 2 cabin scheme. As noted above, either allow J to F via "stickers" or abolish F an expand the J cabin.

LINDEGR Sep 7, 2019 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by carlosdca (Post 31488215)
EXP don't earn stickers.
Not going to happen anyway.
Accept it or vote with your wallet by going somewhere else. In the meantime, yes, FT allows opinion and wishes to be posted.

Last time I checked, we can buy stickers, just like everyone else....

Woofbite Sep 11, 2019 7:25 am

Just noodling:
One of these days, carriers are going to decide about the same time, (without colluding of course, wink, wink), that they are the only business in the world that sells their cheapest product and delivers their finest, (such as it is). At about the same time they will realize that a whole lot of people receiving upgrades actually don't control the purchase decision. They are at the mercy of corporate purchasing or higher management. At that point carriers may decide to reward the decision makers with their own private invitation-only program, (with a cute name such as Concierge Door Unlocker, or some such), and continue to downgrade their existing FF programs until they are virtually meaningless.
Nah, carriers aren't smart enough to think of that, are they?


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