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Worldbuilder Nov 5, 2018 12:13 pm

I'm in a slightly different boat. I'm a 1MM++ with AA. Do about 120k miles per year. I am also a small business owner. This means I have to watch my pennies - $1k saved means I can bonus out my employees $1k. Every dollar DOES matter. So pushing me to buy higher fares just to keep my tushy happy only causes me frustration. Also, my employees fly who I tell them to fly -- and many of them do 25-50k/year. So my satisfaction is worth about $25k/year, and 300k miles / year. But AA, UA, DA, will never see it that way.

If AA thought about the SMB market at all (and they should, it's the fastest growing market), they'd wrap some sort of status cookie into the Business ExtrAA program for SMB. IE: Keep your personal flight spend/miles at a certain level, and your cumulative company flights/spend above a level, and you get ExPlat. They do this for large corporation. But nobody does it for SMB. And by evaluating me, individually, they're going to lose the 300k miles / $25k altogether when I start forcing my team to fly Alaska (which offers better routes for us anyway domestically).

Probably doesn't matter to them. But I keep thinking that the airline that figures this out is going to be the darling of the SMB / startup market.:

Worldbuilder Nov 5, 2018 12:18 pm


Originally Posted by MarkOK (Post 30396277)
For a business traveler, perhaps. But for a primarily personal traveler, 12K was indeed a high bar. But, of course, the elite status programs with airlines aren't made for people travelling on their own dime anyways.

And, though there may be less 'credit card based elites' and those in the 12K-15K range may fall out, would that be counterbalanced by the changes in how people get EQM credit on partner airlines??

Yep. but as I point out in my reply above - it isn't just those traveling on their own dime who strive to control cost. Startups and SMBs do too.

Austin787 Nov 5, 2018 12:32 pm

Free agency is an awesome path to take :)

ryan182 Nov 5, 2018 12:44 pm

Not sure I follow how "thinning the heard" helps anyone...the upgrade priority is already based on EQDs so those that barely make it are already at the bottom of the EXP pile so those that spend more already get priority. If there's some delusional thinking that AA will somehow improve service for EXPs after this I have a lightly used bridge for sale.

Hipplewm Nov 5, 2018 12:46 pm

I wonder how many people from DL or UA were contemplating the "Switch" due to the $12K requirement only to be thwarted today?

Antarius Nov 5, 2018 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by enpremiere (Post 30396237)
My apologies as my original post title wasn't very clear but it looks like someone behind the curtains edited it for me.

I'm still waiting for my Martha Stewart frequently flyer holiday guidebook on making the perfect post title in the mail.

Haha.

No worries - I read the AA email first and it was confusing too.

SpeedRicer Nov 5, 2018 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by stefg1007 (Post 30395915)
I was on the fence about booking a C ticket on another airline for next year. This makes that decision easier now. Instead of actively booking OW tickets to get EXP (Ill be at 14k eqd this year), I'll settle for PP and more competitive pricing on flights. With my travel patterns, what am I really out? Some SWU's that rarely clear in advance anymore? Lower down on the upgrade list for the 3 times a year I fly this ragged airline? What hurts the most is going to be loosing the free redeposit on award tickets. I have a tendency to change them. I guess with some of the money I save, I'll still come out ahead!


Originally Posted by dll (Post 30395968)
I'm thinking I may go this route, as well. I had just at $13,000 EQD in travel this year. Another $2k would be doable but hard to justify without a major change in my travel profile. I'm not sure the systemwides are worth the effort. My biggest thing is loss of lounge access when traveling internationally, but frankly that's an area where PP excels. I also really like the EXP desk, they've been incredibly helpful for me this year. We'll see how this shakes out next year. I also managed to qualify on UA for Gold. Had I consolidated those travels on AA I'd have probably made the $15k cut but there are times when that's just not possible (routes, prices, etc).

Same for me as well -- this was easily doable when I was traveling on business/OPM for the last several years, so I can see why AA would be targeting that segment of traveler. But for me this year with no business travel, I'll barely qualify on 12k EQD on personal travel, so 15k EQD will be a bit of a stretch as I don't expect much business travel next year either. And as 2MM/LTP, not sure it's worth it for the bump to EXP. I guess I have to find a new job with more travel now, or wait for the next recession and a possible double EQD promotion... :D

Wish there was a pathway to LT EXP or better MM milestones beyond 2MM. I may as well keep going for 1MM on UA instead, since *A Gold is nice to have as well.

krazieman Nov 5, 2018 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by 355F1 (Post 30395715)


Hard...????

A MR to JNB BA metal in PE or J nets you almost $5k EQDs.

Actually true. I guess I've never looked at S. Africa flights. Most of my flying is US-Europe, US-Asia.

AA100k Nov 5, 2018 12:52 pm

I’m fine with this but left wondering if AA will follow suit and devalue their award chart to align with Delta.

JDiver Nov 5, 2018 12:56 pm

It’s ironic AA chose to add the image of 737-823 N908NN, a leased in (Wells Fargo) 737 that will soon be graced with Project Awaysis “MSTC” (More Sardines Throughout Coach”), minilavs and less.

I’m sure glad I decided to get off the merry go round with lifetime Platinum effective 2019 Status year. This just reinforces my decision. ”Good day, JDiver out.”

javabytes Nov 5, 2018 1:02 pm

I’m just here to see the 90% of posts that are like...
”I spend $25k/yr so I don’t care”
”I barely reach $12k/yr... screw AA, I’m never flying them again.”

enviroian Nov 5, 2018 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 30396562)
I’m just here to see the 90% of posts that are like...
”I spend $25k/yr so I don’t care”
”I barely reach $12k/yr... screw AA, I’m never flying them again.”

let me add the remaining 10%

"i buy $15K F fares before I eat breakfast in the morning"
"not a problem I spend $1.5MM with AA last year".

olouie Nov 5, 2018 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 30396535)
It’s ironic AA chose to add the image of 737-823 N908NN, a leased in (Wells Fargo) 737 that will soon be graced with Project Awaysis “MSTC” (More Sardines Throughout Coach”), minilavs and less.

I’m sure glad I decided to get off the merry go round with lifetime Platinum effective 2019 Status year. This just reinforces my decision. ”Good day, JDiver out.”

Good decision. Where are you putting most of our flying these days?

enviroian Nov 5, 2018 1:22 pm

It's amazing to think that just 2 years ago one could get EXP with a bunch of cheap mileage runs. I bet there were EXPs with EQD's less than $5K then. I see what AA is targeting. Too bad their higher spend thresholds don't come with anything better for the EXP.

bse118 Nov 5, 2018 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by MarkOK (Post 30396277)
And, though there may be less 'credit card based elites' and those in the 12K-15K range may fall out, would that be counterbalanced by the changes in how people get EQM credit on partner airlines??

Increased EQM earnings on partners don't offset higher EQD thresholds..


Originally Posted by ryan182 (Post 30396471)
Not sure I follow how "thinning the heard" helps anyone...the upgrade priority is already based on EQDs so those that barely make it are already at the bottom of the EXP pile so those that spend more already get priority. If there's some delusional thinking that AA will somehow improve service for EXPs after this I have a lightly used bridge for sale.

Not about upgrades. Not about any one benefit on any one flight. Not about expecting improvements. About retaining existing benefits and the "cost" of those benefits based on how large the population is. I've been a management consultant...I know how they think.


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