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enpremiere Nov 5, 2018 9:09 am

AAdvantage Program Changes as of Jan 2019 and EXP EQD Requirement
 
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The title says it all.

Thanks a lot United.

On second thought the title is misleading. It should probably read 2020.

Abidjan Nov 5, 2018 9:09 am

Party! :(

andersonCooper Nov 5, 2018 9:13 am

There's more to that...

https://www.aa.com/i18n/aadvantage-p...am-updates.jsp

1) 15000 EQD, main change;
2) EQM EQD earnings for JV partners change - EQM seems to be aligned with AA (i.e. 3x for F instead of 1.5x cap).
3) Selections for 150k, 200k and 250k EQM milestones.
4) Special fares EQD "nerf" for some cheap Y codes.

donotblink Nov 5, 2018 9:15 am

And full Y is going down to 1 EQM from 1.5 EQMs

enpremiere Nov 5, 2018 9:29 am

Indeed there are some bright spots on partner EQM earnings with respect to premium cabins effective January 1, 2019.

See example earning tables pre-2019 and 2019 onwards: https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...sh-airways.jsp

enpremiere Nov 5, 2018 9:30 am


Originally Posted by Abidjan (Post 30395455)
Party! :(

Indeed.

I'm just refreshing the AA forum every few minutes for the upcoming slew of "I'm going free agency, DeltAA is better, etc..." posts.

gmt4 Nov 5, 2018 9:33 am

Helen Keller saw this one coming. I just thought they'd wait a year or so before jumping on the bandwagon. I was wrong.

enpremiere Nov 5, 2018 9:36 am


Originally Posted by donotblink (Post 30395483)
And full Y is going down to 1 EQM from 1.5 EQMs

I would guess that it's supporting the possible eventual move to treat W/P as its own cabin in every respect (particularly when it comes to upgrades).

fotographer Nov 5, 2018 9:44 am

AA seems to be following the losers again..... so very sad

BillBurn Nov 5, 2018 9:51 am

Between increasing the EQD requirement to 15K and eliminating the EQD bonuses on the Barclays cards, AA definitely appears to be trying to weed out a lot of low spending EXPs. I wonder what impact this will have on the overall # of EXPs in 2020. Could be good news for those EXPs that remain in terms of upgrade competition, service levels, etc. ... or not.

krazieman Nov 5, 2018 9:58 am

So those crappy BA J/F flights will give more EQMs now, but so what, it'll be hard to get the EQDs.

andersonCooper Nov 5, 2018 9:58 am


Originally Posted by enpremiere (Post 30395535)
Indeed.

I'm just refreshing the AA forum every few minutes for the upcoming slew of "I'm going free agency, DeltAA is better, etc..." posts.

There are already a lot on OMAAT etc :D

skunker Nov 5, 2018 10:05 am


Originally Posted by gmt4 (Post 30395548)
Helen Keller saw this one coming. I just thought they'd wait a year or so before jumping on the bandwagon. I was wrong.

Come on, there isn't an original idea floating around AA HQ anymore. I'm actually surprised they waited this long.

zabes64 Nov 5, 2018 10:08 am

I'm actually ok with this, I'll hit just barely over 100k with 15k spend, I fly a ton on AY so earning 2.00 eqm per mile on business tickets is fantastic, would have put me at an extra 40,000 eqm this year.

3Cforme Nov 5, 2018 10:10 am


Originally Posted by enpremiere (Post 30395535)
Indeed.

I'm just refreshing the AA forum every few minutes for the upcoming slew of "I'm going free agency, DeltAA is better, etc..." posts.

Delta has had a requirement of $15K spend for Diamond going back at least three years. For 2018 (for 2019 elite status), the Delta Amex spend requirement to waive that rose to $250,000. (No, I didn't slip in an extra zero.)

https://onemileatatime.com/delta-dia...pend-increase/

355F1 Nov 5, 2018 10:10 am

Just got the email.

If I am reading it correctly this is a win for me.

I rarely travel on AA metal as all of my flights are usually in PE or J on BA.

It appears I’ll now earn more EQMs on most of my flights.

svik Nov 5, 2018 10:10 am

Thank you American!
I qualified this year again as ExPlat, and I was wondering if next year it would make sense to try qualifying again.
Before this news my gripes were:
- terrible award flight availability (when between A to B exists a direct connection --> A to C to B, super long layovers in C, red-eye)
- terrible award chart (BA fees)
- only 4 SWU, difficult to use

Now they made the decision super easy. If the race to the bottom is to weed out loyal customers, then that is what they get.

beachfan Nov 5, 2018 10:11 am


Originally Posted by BillBurn (Post 30395619)
Between increasing the EQD requirement to 15K and eliminating the EQD bonuses on the Barclays cards, AA definitely appears to be trying to weed out a lot of low spending EXPs. I wonder what impact this will have on the overall # of EXPs in 2020. Could be good news for those EXPs that remain in terms of upgrade competition, service levels, etc. ... or not.

F will still be full. For non impacted ExAts already over the $15k EQD, what does it matter how many places below you others are, if they are already below you? Exp Desk is already a shell if it’s former self.

Where is the advantage to high value fliers of the higher EQD requirement,, other than knowing its more exclusive.

355F1 Nov 5, 2018 10:12 am


Originally Posted by krazieman (Post 30395654)
So those crappy BA J/F flights will give more EQMs now, but so what, it'll be hard to get the EQDs.

Hard...????

A MR to JNB BA metal in PE or J nets you almost $5k EQDs.

schwachs Nov 5, 2018 10:16 am

Ouch. I just literally hit the EP yesterday and woke up to this news today.

Brutal.

Catbert10 Nov 5, 2018 10:17 am

Pretty much the only difference between the Big 3 FF programs is award availability. Who'd a-thunk that would happen after consolidation?

fotographer Nov 5, 2018 10:18 am

Just got the email from AA... FT is so much faster

bswiz Nov 5, 2018 10:19 am

I know I'm not in the big leagues like some of you guys, so AA doesn't care what I think, but this sucks. I made every effort to hit EXP this year, and relied on the 3000 EQD from my Aviator Red card spend to get over the 12K requirement. Now they've taken that card perk away AND increased the EQD requirement. So I guess this will be my first and last year at EXP. Oh well.

BigJimmy626 Nov 5, 2018 10:20 am

Mixed emotions about this... I should hit the spend with no problem.... I just don't like the fact that this is happening.... I have been eyeing Delta for a while. (I used to fly them before I switched to AA about 5 years ago). I would like to fly one of Delta's partner airlines direct to Taipei vs flying through NRT or HKG on AA via LAX.... It adds quite a bit of time on to my journey but it's only 3 times a year....

All in all I think I'll stick with AA though.. I don't have any real complaints about them...

econometrics Nov 5, 2018 10:24 am

As one who is spending about $20-$25K per year right now, I'm not put off by this. From seeing the loads in premium cabins this past year on INTL flights, I can tell that AA is courting EXP customers who spend more, and weeding out those who do not. Seems like a simple business decision here, and Delta and UA helped give them the courage to do it. :D

But the improved EQM earning in J/F on Oneworld partners is a VERY nice improvement. Now I can go back to buying itineraries on BA.com in J, which often tend to be cheaper than the same itinerary on AA.com for me, and can still earn full EQM. No more paying AA a premium just to get my full EQMs. ^

vkumar Nov 5, 2018 10:24 am

I am just reading this email. Am I reading correctly that Cathay flights will no longer be eligible to qualify for EQD and EQM. I hoe this is not true.

econometrics Nov 5, 2018 10:26 am


Originally Posted by vkumar (Post 30395775)
I am just reading this email. Am I reading correctly that Cathay flights will no longer be eligible to qualify for EQD and EQM. I hoe this is not true.

There are no changes to the earnings on CX. https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ay-pacific.jsp

These changes are with BA, IB, JL, and AY.

flying_geek Nov 5, 2018 10:27 am

i am ok with this. Been usually above 15k anyways and the extra EQMs will be welcome. As someone who flies a fair bit on partner airlines usually discounted J, the math for EQD could use some updating. If it was a little more realistic, i’d Be fine with 20K spend requirement.

and we all saw this coming - the increase in EQM is a positive. Of course I realize that for those that barely made the 12, it sucks. At the same time, it probably doesn’t change much. If you were at the bottom of EXP upgrades or the top of Plat Pro probably has the same result. The only real loss would be the system wides which were already reduced to 4

Antarius Nov 5, 2018 10:29 am

So.. 2020 membership year.... Does that mean this takes effect Jan 1 2020? or Jan 1 2019?

mck125 Nov 5, 2018 10:30 am

AAdvantage program changes (announced Nov 5, 2018)
 
American just announced some changes to the AAdvantage program, and I'm trying to read between the lines to figure out what they actually mean.

From the announcement, it will now take $15K EQDs to hit Exec Platinum, but I'm confused by this section (especially around the "gift of AAdvantage status" - does it mean we can give someone else Gold / Platinum if we reach 150K / 200K / 250K miles?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...04e70f9f8c.jpg

skunker Nov 5, 2018 10:30 am


Originally Posted by Catbert10 (Post 30395731)
Pretty much the only difference between the Big 3 FF programs is award availability. Who'd a-thunk that would happen after consolidation?

"This is good for consumers!"
:rolleyes:

Gig103 Nov 5, 2018 10:31 am


Originally Posted by enpremiere (Post 30395530)
Indeed there are some bright spots on partner EQM earnings with respect to premium cabins effective January 1, 2019.

See example earning tables pre-2019 and 2019 onwards: https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...sh-airways.jsp

I can't say that surprises me in the least. AA, despite their LCC approach in the "back of the bus" has made a push for the premium traveler. I do prefer their J hard product and Flagship lounges (and the PE @ 2-3-2 looks better than 2-4-2 PE from competitors not that I've flown it), to the Skyteam alternatives. It's just weird to have such a different experience on either side of that little curtain.

Not that I'm anywhere near an EXP, but it would be nice if the competition was a little fiercer between carriers, instead of monkey-see, monkey-do.

Flight44 Nov 5, 2018 10:32 am

Will take a few minutes to make an analysis of how this will affect my situation. Probably end up free agent. Sad. Been with AA since 1994.

Flight44 Nov 5, 2018 10:36 am

I'm reminded of an article I read about RyanAir which included an interview with it's genius creator/boss. He discussed how he "taught" the customer how to behave. In other words, by charging a lot of bags, there were less bags and hence less need for baggage handlers/equipment and costs. Same with ticketing and so on.

Well, the airlines have certainly taught the public well.

FAA1996 Nov 5, 2018 10:39 am

This change doesn't really affect me as I usually end up with about $25K spend, miles are also a non issue, EQM are over 150K for me. So thinning out EXPs is a good thing.
However, I find EXP pretty useless. Usually purchase J or F tickets as I don't want to play the upgrade game. SWUs are useless, scarce availability to use for someone else or me at booking. Elimination of F on most international routes means I can't really use them unless I go to LHR for a J to F upgrade. New Flagship lounges are nice, but I'd get access with my international J or as a lifetime Platinum member so no perk there. First class check in has disappeared, now its all one big priority line with everyone who has an AA credit card or Gold. Flagship check in is ok when available and I'm traveling to a qualified destination.

andersonCooper Nov 5, 2018 10:42 am


Originally Posted by Antarius (Post 30395805)
So.. 2020 membership year.... Does that mean this takes effect Jan 1 2020? or Jan 1 2019?

Takes effect 2019 for the membership year 2020.

saltytheseagull Nov 5, 2018 10:44 am

How original! I wonder how things will change in the next recession. They probably won't because "American will never lose money again". Time will tell...

I am enjoying my OWE status on another airline. If I want F or J, I will buy it or redeem when it makes sense.

tomj888 Nov 5, 2018 10:45 am

As someone aptly put it; it is the race to the bottom. I've flown 2 million miles with UA but could not stand how poor their hard product was. Eight across on a 777 in business class and NO F seating? If I were single and looking to meet people, then that's a great configuration. Came over to AA, have 688,000 BIS miles and was hoping to make it to lifetime gold. Yet I'm the dope that keeps thinking that has value???? I flew 135K this year and spent 18K, some of that was thru the great Barclay card bonuses, but that's going to be harder to make. In sum, there is NO more low hanging fruit with any airline. I believe it's going to be in my best interests to just pony up for F or B whenever I fly and if that's not possible fly UA because I'll be guaranteed a bulkhead or exit row seat in crunch class. OR I could lose 50 pounds and shrink 8 inches so I can fit in any piece of s__t seat the airlines graciously offer to ferry me to my destinations.

Collierkr Nov 5, 2018 10:47 am


Originally Posted by Antarius (Post 30395805)
So.. 2020 membership year.... Does that mean this takes effect Jan 1 2020? or Jan 1 2019?

It means that you will need to spend $15K in 2019 to qualify for the 2020 year

stefg1007 Nov 5, 2018 10:48 am

I was on the fence about booking a C ticket on another airline for next year. This makes that decision easier now. Instead of actively booking OW tickets to get EXP (Ill be at 14k eqd this year), I'll settle for PP and more competitive pricing on flights. With my travel patterns, what am I really out? Some SWU's that rarely clear in advance anymore? Lower down on the upgrade list for the 3 times a year I fly this ragged airline? What hurts the most is going to be loosing the free redeposit on award tickets. I have a tendency to change them. I guess with some of the money I save, I'll still come out ahead!


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