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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 30397849)
It seems about right - but question would seem to be whether the number of award miles thrown at getting BA Silver is more or less than the cost of buying AC membership ?
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Originally Posted by foxberg
(Post 30396985)
But for 1K on UA you still need the full PQD.
Originally Posted by swingaling
(Post 30397009)
Not even close. DL raised the spend requirement for MQD waiver to $250k.
Originally Posted by Hipplewm
(Post 30397079)
Except for it doesn't
DL requires 250K for top tier diamond United requires unobtanium spend for top tier 1K ie - you can only qualify for Platinum on spend ie second tier
Originally Posted by turkeyRIOO
(Post 30397166)
I think you would be surprised at how many $250k spend cardholders care about upgrades. $250k is not really that much spend and will not get you to amex Centurion black card.
$25k amex spend on Delta will still get you to Plat level which is upper echelon.
Originally Posted by gmt4
(Post 30397516)
$25k across the Club & Explorer cards only gets you to platinum on UA. Clearly AA is placing the most value in actual airfare spend with them instead of card partners like UA.
Originally Posted by SteveinA2
(Post 30397865)
No it won't
$25K Amex spend plus 75,000 EQM's will All the credit card spend does on DL is eliminate the EQD requirement ($25K spend eliminates EQD for Silver/Gold/Plat and $250K eliminates it for Diamond) |
Originally Posted by ryan182
(Post 30397828)
Outside upgrades many of the other benefits are defined by OW also history shows us that the reduction of benefits is primarily driven by the actions of DL and to a lesser degree UA not the number of members. In short they will give a little as they feel they can based on what the competition provides and that will be the case if there are 10,000 or 10,000,000 EXPs. When EQDs were introduced I would assume that had an effect on the number of people meeting all thresholds, unless I missed something we didn't get any additional benefits and in fact the number of SWUs were cut in half.
And many benefits of the program have nothing to do with OW: MCE is one, award redeposit fees and other fees waivers is another, the (largely useless) same-day change policy is yet another, etc... And you're glossing over the fact that this very program change announcement contains additional benefits. |
Originally Posted by bse118
(Post 30397972)
Huh? This makes little sense. AA's internal evaluation of the cost/benefit to the airline of the elite program is surely defined by many factors: including OW alliance terms; what the competition does, how many members AA has at the various elite levels, and a whole host of other things. "DL did it" makes a nice FT-soundbite - but its not as universally true as people think it is.
And many benefits of the program have nothing to do with OW: MCE is one, award redeposit fees and other fees waivers is another, the (largely useless) same-day change policy is yet another, etc... And you're glossing over the fact that this very program change announcement contains additional benefits. |
Originally Posted by BillBurn
(Post 30395619)
Between increasing the EQD requirement to 15K and eliminating the EQD bonuses on the Barclays cards, AA definitely appears to be trying to weed out a lot of low spending EXPs. I wonder what impact this will have on the overall # of EXPs in 2020. Could be good news for those EXPs that remain in terms of upgrade competition, service levels, etc. ... or not.
This year I was able to apply 3 SWU on flights between LAX-HKG and LHR-LAX. Previous year, upgraded my wife on LAX-SYD so I’ve got no complaints on that front. Worth the spend. If Ben Franklin were around (and flying) today, he might have amended his famous statement to “nothing can be said to be certain, except deathandtaxes...and elite program devaluations” |
Originally Posted by brp
(Post 30397779)
Let me know (please) if I'm thinking this through clearly:
We are both LT Plat, so we can rest on that. Let's say that we're not going to try for EXP again (after like 10 years) in 2019. Then we have OW Sapphire, Business Lounges, etc. Now, we shoot for BA Silver. 600 Tier Points. Looks like a SFO-MIA or SFO_JFK 2-class business nets 140 Tier Points. So only about 4 of these. While still Sapphire this also affords AC and FL access on AA domestic flights. Is it that straightforward, or am I miscalculating? Cheers. The changes were expected. Since AA moved to EQD's for qualifications, my AA spend has trended down. 2016: Total spend $8571 with $6600 on AA; 2017: Total spend $5524 with $1514 on AA (requalified wih 17k+ EQD's;) 2018 Total spend: $6871 with $2600 on AA (requaified with 12k EQD's;) and 2019: Estimated total AA spend of $2000, $1413 already ticketed for PEK-LAX-HKG-PEK and will add another HKG-LAX to use my (last) 4 SWU's until I cross 5MM probably 2020.. There are still inexpensive ways to get 15k EQD's and 150k EQM's with CX and BA PE fares, and one routing that CX offers a decent schedule on, costs $965 RT, and would require only 4.5 RT's (pushing the return into the next year of course,) and generates 112k EQM's and 165k RDM's. I wonder how much rev AA generates from those miles. Total cost of $4421 and no need for SWU's. I'll be happy with my AA LT PLT and *A Gold (OZ thru 2021.) Expectations in check always. |
Originally Posted by foxberg
(Post 30396780)
I knew about UA exemption and I guess I was mistaken about AA doing the same. I can't find this being mentioned anywhere :( Maybe it's time to do a status match next year and move to UA then.
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I’m glad this came out before I booked my first 2019 trip, which would have been part vacation, part MR. For me, this kicks me out of EXP after 2019. I just can’t justify the extra spend. Some of you said $15K was just a bit more, for me $12k was already that extra stretch. But even more importantly, if I can’t make it to EXP anyway, then all of the things I did to make EXP - at least one international J MR, taking less convenient flights to/from less convenient airports, finding creative excuses for justifying a more expensive AA flight to our company travel agent - simply aren’t going to happen becaues they buy me very little if it’s not enough for EXP. So rather than stretching to hit $15k, my spend could very well drop by $5-6k (a lot will go to AS since I’m on the west coast - and yes, losing EQM/EQD from AS flights didn’t help either ). I’m already LT Plat and I usually buy (or sell up to) F so upgrades are not much of a concern. I guess AA is convinced that what they will lose from people like me they will make up for people who will stretch to hit $15k. Yeah, that must be it. it was nice while it lasted. |
Originally Posted by sailor279
(Post 30398125)
As one of those “low spenders” (relatively), I was bummed to receive the letter from Barclays this weekend, followed by this news. I could have easily managed one decrease or the other but not both. Now, this requires a really aggressive change in spending/biz travel. I supposed the silver lining is that this will weed out a decent chunk of us low spenders to open even more upgrade opps..provided I can requal for ‘20. This year I was able to apply 3 SWU on flights between LAX-HKG and LHR-LAX. Previous year, upgraded my wife on LAX-SYD so I’ve got no complaints on that front. Worth the spend. If Ben Franklin were around (and flying) today, he might have amended his famous statement to “nothing can be said to be certain, except deathandtaxes...and elite program devaluations” |
Originally Posted by catcher1
(Post 30397723)
Hey, I want to know too!
You can search literally almost any day of the week through EoS For LAX-BOM. BA metal. $3200 shows almost every day. $200 off for AARP on J flights 10% off airfare with the Chase BA CC. $2600 all in, dude. Just did one a couple months ago and was able to UG to First using 22.5k Avios on one of the legs. |
I expected to be outraged when I opened the email, but I probably spent around 15k to hit ExecPlat this year and had to slog out way more BIS with only 1.5x on AY, BA, IB J flights. With this new earning chart, the amount of EQMs I already have booked for 2019 travel jumps substantially and for the same amount of travel I did this year, I'll have a good shot at hitting 150k and getting extra SWU. First time i've seen an "enhancement," that wasn't a knife in the back.
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Just wondering, why didnit AA consider a new level for their new requirements.. something like EXP pro? or EXP look at me or EXP I spent too much?
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Positive changes for economy warriors? Wait, what. What year do we live in?
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I am confused about the calculation of EQD's on OW partners with the discount economy fares. The chart has confusing column headers. It list base miles 0-100%. Then it lists EQD's per mile flown. Does that mean the column in base miles is multiplied by the percentage in EQD's? e.g. 1000 actual mileage at 50% = 500 miles * 10% (EQD's/mile) = 50 EQD's. Is this correct? Or is it 1000 miles * 10% = 100 EDQ's
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Originally Posted by turkeyRIOO
(Post 30397166)
I think you would be surprised at how many $250k spend cardholders care about upgrades. $250k is not really that much spend and will not get you to amex Centurion black card.
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