Booking AA Award travel on Etihad / EY - [2015-17 ARCHIVE]
Jul 20, 2016, 8:33 am
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I've read back quite a few pages, and the wiki, and the routing rules post pointed to in the wiki.
Can someone confirm that now AUH and MLE are no longer in the same region, LHR-MLE which previously was bookable as a single AA award, now defnitely requires two AA awards ? i.e. I dont see an exception that allows routing from Europe to India (which is MLEs new designation) via the middle east.
It also appears you can't travel from the US to MLE on one award (again no exception for US to india via middle east)
Has there been a report that such a booking has been tried since the changes and failed/succeeded ?
Can someone confirm that now AUH and MLE are no longer in the same region, LHR-MLE which previously was bookable as a single AA award, now defnitely requires two AA awards ? i.e. I dont see an exception that allows routing from Europe to India (which is MLEs new designation) via the middle east.
It also appears you can't travel from the US to MLE on one award (again no exception for US to india via middle east)
Has there been a report that such a booking has been tried since the changes and failed/succeeded ?
Jul 20, 2016, 8:42 am
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First, EY is under no obligation to provide any award seats for you at all, and complaining about that is silly. Second, regarding 'picking 20 random days', you can see availability for a week at a time once you know what you are doing. You don't have to click on each day one at a time ---the miles required in the top row chart gives you an indication of whether GuestSeats are available.
Jul 20, 2016, 8:43 am
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I've read back quite a few pages, and the wiki, and the routing rules post pointed to in the wiki.
Can someone confirm that now AUH and MLE are no longer in the same region, LHR-MLE which previously was bookable as a single AA award, now defnitely requires two AA awards ? i.e. I dont see an exception that allows routing from Europe to India (which is MLEs new designation) via the middle east.
It also appears you can't travel from the US to MLE on one award (again no exception for US to india via middle east)
Has there been a report that such a booking has been tried since the changes and failed/succeeded ?
Can someone confirm that now AUH and MLE are no longer in the same region, LHR-MLE which previously was bookable as a single AA award, now defnitely requires two AA awards ? i.e. I dont see an exception that allows routing from Europe to India (which is MLEs new designation) via the middle east.
It also appears you can't travel from the US to MLE on one award (again no exception for US to india via middle east)
Has there been a report that such a booking has been tried since the changes and failed/succeeded ?
So I called AA yesterday and gave the agent my proposed itinerary and she actually went through and added all the legs MAD-LHR-AUH-MLE and she said it would be a valid route....I didn't book because F was not available on the LHR-AUH route but she said I could have booked in J. I asked her on the routing rules and she said that this was ok. She didn't actually book it so when she tries to it might not let her. So as far as the agent is concerned, the route works. I don't know who (the agent or computer) decides if the route is valid but as far as she knew, it would work.
Jul 20, 2016, 9:31 am
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So I called AA yesterday and gave the agent my proposed itinerary and she actually went through and added all the legs MAD-LHR-AUH-MLE and she said it would be a valid route....I didn't book because F was not available on the LHR-AUH route but she said I could have booked in J. I asked her on the routing rules and she said that this was ok. She didn't actually book it so when she tries to it might not let her. So as far as the agent is concerned, the route works. I don't know who (the agent or computer) decides if the route is valid but as far as she knew, it would work.
Jul 20, 2016, 10:29 am
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Jul 20, 2016, 12:12 pm
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Jul 20, 2016, 2:34 pm
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With the current reward charts, Middle East and India are now different regions , so unless there are routing exceptions, would seem surprising if it is permitted as one award now
Actual distance isn't relevant when using a zone based system
Jul 20, 2016, 3:42 pm
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Is there a place with all the routing rules? I have looked on aa.com but can't find anything except routing across the atlantic vs pacific for asia flights
Jul 20, 2016, 3:54 pm
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Until March 22, AUH and MLE were in the same region (Middle East/India) - so unsurprising that many have booked it as one award (whether from Europe or from North America )
With the current reward charts, Middle East and India are now different regions , so unless there are routing exceptions, would seem surprising if it is permitted as one award now
With the current reward charts, Middle East and India are now different regions , so unless there are routing exceptions, would seem surprising if it is permitted as one award now
If, as it appears to be the case, LHR-MLE (for example) is now 2 awards, then a return in biz has gone from 60K pre devaluation to 145K
Last edited by tangey; Jul 20, 2016 at 4:01 pm
Jul 20, 2016, 4:01 pm
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EY generally has specified permitted routings, so is quite easy to check there
On top of this, of course, the AAdvantage specific rules ( such as no 3rd region ) also apply
I had a quick look on AA prior to my posting, but I couldn't see anywhere that they list the exceptions. There is a list pointed to in the wiki on the top of this thread, this points to another FT thread. I don't know if that list has been compiled thru experience, or whether it is a definitive AA list. Possibly some of the AA gurus might help.
Last edited by Dave Noble; Jul 20, 2016 at 4:06 pm
Jul 20, 2016, 4:35 pm
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Until March 22, AUH and MLE were in the same region (Middle East/India) - so unsurprising that many have booked it as one award (whether from Europe or from North America )
With the current reward charts, Middle East and India are now different regions , so unless there are routing exceptions, would seem surprising if it is permitted as one award now
With the current reward charts, Middle East and India are now different regions , so unless there are routing exceptions, would seem surprising if it is permitted as one award now
ME and India were split into two zones apparently just because of different routing rules (tpac OK for India but not for ME, but award levels are identical). There is no change in the miles required for UA-AUH-India.
Really, even USA-LHR-India goes via a different zone (Europe). There are no non-stops on OW airlines currently.
Jul 20, 2016, 5:47 pm
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Jul 20, 2016, 6:18 pm
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Ok, just called and put MAD-LHR-AUH-MLE on hold in business for 42,500 miles. It is all one award ticket. So it is possible even with 3 regions