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xliioper Mar 20, 2019 7:14 am


Originally Posted by dkc192 (Post 30906403)
On the other hand, starting sometime in April/May, AA is drawing JFK-BOS down to a pathetic once daily flight that is poorly timed to connect with international service at JFK. JFK-BOS leaves after 10pm while BOS-JFK leaves in the early morning. What purpose does that single flight serve if it doesn't feed any international flights at JFK?

JFK-BOS goes back to 5x daily in July. Looks like it's just a temporary reduction.

dkc192 Mar 20, 2019 9:00 am


Originally Posted by LBJ (Post 30908755)
JFK-BOS goes back to 5x daily in July. Looks like it's just a temporary reduction.

Either a temporary reduction, or the July schedule is still the default placeholder schedule that hasn't been "schedule changed" yet.


Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 30907467)


Everytime I’ve been on this flight it’s been heavy connections to/from LatAm.

Selfishly this is the main reason I bemoan the reductions on this route as a BOS resident. I prefer to connect in JFK over MIA when going to SA, for the shorter domestic hop and longer overnight flight. The reductions basically force me to MIA (or DFW) for all SA itineraries.

NYC Flyer Mar 20, 2019 10:51 am


Originally Posted by Adelphos (Post 30908511)
I guess the true indication of whether AA is really pulling back in NYC would be if they cut routes like LGA to PBI further as opposed to the various JFK cuts.

It certainly serves a niche O&D customer base and exists without regard to AA's planning for connecting traffic flows. Was absent for a while and was a big deal for many when it came back.

george 3 Mar 20, 2019 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by dkc192 (Post 30906403)
On the other hand, starting sometime in April/May, AA is drawing JFK-BOS down to a pathetic once daily flight that is poorly timed to connect with international service at JFK. JFK-BOS leaves after 10pm while BOS-JFK leaves in the early morning. What purpose does that single flight serve if it doesn't feed any international flights at JFK?

This is interesting. When I did a MR to get back to EXP, I did this route on the 3-class 328 and perhaps half the pax were Brazilians who connected from GRU and GIG.

golfingboy Apr 7, 2019 7:37 am


Originally Posted by LBJ (Post 30908755)
JFK-BOS goes back to 5x daily in July. Looks like it's just a temporary reduction.

Looks like this change is going to be in place at least through November. Only one daily flight. There are numerous reductions among the AE flights with majority of destinations (CLE, CMH, BWI, YUL, etc.) going down to just one flight per day. Granted this may be mainly driven by the runway closure, but I won't be surprised that most of those cuts will stick.

LAS also permanently goes down to two daily flights. SAN/SEA goes down to 1x daily.

Side note - flying between PIT/JFK to connect to TATL flight is very frustrating. AA charges more to fly PIT-JFK to connect to a TATL flight even though the flight loads are very poor on this route. For our upcoming trip to LHR, we are connecting in DCA on the outbound to JFK :rolleyes:

I suppose this is what happens when you lose economics of scale necessitating to charge a premium to make the "hub" profitable.

Side note 2 - AA is now definitely feeling the squeeze at PHL operationally after rebanking PHL (eliminated two banks and made the remaining ones bigger) and trying to make PHL the main TATL hub where there are severe infrastructure limitations. On our PIT-PHL flights its becoming more common that we have to sit on the tarmac at PIT because there is no gate or space to park at PHL if we arrive early.

perseus11 Apr 7, 2019 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 30974302)
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Side note - flying between PIT/JFK to connect to TATL flight is very frustrating. AA charges more to fly PIT-JFK to connect to a TATL flight even though the flight loads are very poor on this route. For our upcoming trip to LHR, we are connecting in DCA on the outbound to JFK :rolleyes:

I suppose this is what happens when you lose economics of scale necessitating to charge a premium to make the "hub" profitable.

Side note 2 - AA is now definitely feeling the squeeze at PHL operationally after rebanking PHL (eliminated two banks and made the remaining ones bigger) and trying to make PHL the main TATL hub where there are severe infrastructure limitations. On our PIT-PHL flights its becoming more common that we have to sit on the tarmac at PIT because there is no gate or space to park at PHL if we arrive early.

If you force a routing (PIT-JFK-LHR), which is not available as a thru fare, you're going to have to pay for each segment separately. Why would you do that rather than accepting one of the plethora of thru fare routings offered : PIT-PHL/ORD/CLT-LHR ??

The statement : " AA is definitely feeling the squeeze at PHL operationally after rebanking" is a personal and refutable opinion.
If there were "severe infrastructure limitations" at PHL, AA would have abandoned it, not bulked it up into its now "main TATL Hub".

Delaying the departure of a flight that would arrive earlier than scheduled and tie up a gate that was scheduled for an on-time arrival is very typical at most Hubs, such as JFK, LAX, ORD, etc.. It's called schedule/gate management.

AANYC1981 Apr 7, 2019 8:13 pm

Arriving at JFK this evening was truly sad....not a single AE plane in the regional gates and a handful of mainline planes to be seen.....terminal was a virtual ghost town at 730pm

andersonCooper Apr 7, 2019 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 30976498)
Arriving at JFK this evening was truly sad....not a single AE plane in the regional gates and a handful of mainline planes to be seen.....terminal was a virtual ghost town at 730pm

Yup..from my experience of taking CX865 frequently, by 9pm it's mostly "Qatar Airways paging XXX" and the terminal seems to have nothing to do with AA.

perseus11 Apr 7, 2019 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 30976498)
Arriving at JFK this evening was truly sad....not a single AE plane in the regional gates and a handful of mainline planes to be seen.....terminal was a virtual ghost town at 730pm

Stop Crying :D. During the next downturn, the typical churn will occur. PHL will be turned into a regional Hub. JFK will return as AA's premier International Hub, with flights to every city on earth. Liz Taylor and RIchard Burton will even rise up, sip a glass of Chateau Patris and nibble on a plate of Couscous in the Terminal 8 Flagship Lounge.

crackjack Apr 7, 2019 10:22 pm

Ugh, looks like the 7am AA33 JFK-LAX (and it's return), which was scheduled into July / August, has been removed again (at least temporarily); I got to see if I can get onto AA1 at 8am, rather than AA171 at 6am (& an ungodly 4am wake-up...).

Antarius Apr 8, 2019 8:22 am


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 30976486)
The statement : " AA is definitely feeling the squeeze at PHL operationally after rebanking" is a personal and refutable opinion.
If there were "severe infrastructure limitations" at PHL, AA would have abandoned it, not bulked it up into its now "main TATL Hub".

this is predicated on the assumption that management knows what it is doing. Considering that DL is making it rain, while AA's filings are ghastly (they're clinging to profitability due to the credit card business), I dont think this is a very good assumption.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Apr 8, 2019 9:34 am

MIA is also a mess in the late afternoon/early evenings. Landing early in particular means a trip into the area of unwanted planes. I live in MIA and as the minutes tick and tick away I can see the stress level rising as connections are getting tighter and tighter as the Captain keeps telling us that he's still waiting for the gate to become unoccupied. Since AA can blame missed connections (often the only/last one to SA, CA, the Caribbean) on airport flow, AA can tell paxs to make and pay for their own hotel and meal arrangements. (Possibly CKs/EXPs making a trip to the AC might find different). I don't think Parker and company really care. They'd rather have the financial upside of banked hubs with little concern about the pax.

The moral of the story is sadly that anything less than a 90 minute connection at MIA can be problematic.

More OT, I was looking at the board in the JFK AC the other day. Europe seems to be down to MAD, BCN, CDG, MXP and LHR. I wonder if BCN is at risk of going to PHL. I think the other ones will stick. SA seemed to be GRU, SCL, and EZE. I assume those will stick, particularly GRU and EZE. IIRC the only Caribbean destination seemed to be BDA.

taxicabnumber Apr 8, 2019 9:48 am


Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge (Post 30978117)
MIA is also a mess in the late afternoon/early evenings. Landing early in particular means a trip into the area of unwanted planes. I live in MIA and as the minutes tick and tick away I can see the stress level rising as connections are getting tighter and tighter as the Captain keeps telling us that he's still waiting for the gate to become unoccupied. Since AA can blame missed connections (often the only/last one to SA, CA, the Caribbean) on airport flow, AA can tell paxs to make and pay for their own hotel and meal arrangements. (Possibly CKs/EXPs making a trip to the AC might find different). I don't think Parker and company really care. They'd rather have the financial upside of banked hubs with little concern about the pax.

The moral of the story is sadly that anything less than a 90 minute connection at MIA can be problematic.

More OT, I was looking at the board in the JFK AC the other day. Europe seems to be down to MAD, BCN, CDG, MXP and LHR. I wonder if BCN is at risk of going to PHL. I think the other ones will stick. SA seemed to be GRU, SCL, and EZE. I assume those will stick, particularly GRU and EZE. IIRC the only Caribbean destination seemed to be BDA.

Isn't SCL operated by LATAM, not AA?

lowfareair Apr 8, 2019 10:03 am


Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge (Post 30978117)
MIA is also a mess in the late afternoon/early evenings. Landing early in particular means a trip into the area of unwanted planes. I live in MIA and as the minutes tick and tick away I can see the stress level rising as connections are getting tighter and tighter as the Captain keeps telling us that he's still waiting for the gate to become unoccupied. Since AA can blame missed connections (often the only/last one to SA, CA, the Caribbean) on airport flow, AA can tell paxs to make and pay for their own hotel and meal arrangements. (Possibly CKs/EXPs making a trip to the AC might find different). I don't think Parker and company really care. They'd rather have the financial upside of banked hubs with little concern about the pax.

The moral of the story is sadly that anything less than a 90 minute connection at MIA can be problematic.

More OT, I was looking at the board in the JFK AC the other day. Europe seems to be down to MAD, BCN, CDG, MXP and LHR. I wonder if BCN is at risk of going to PHL. I think the other ones will stick. SA seemed to be GRU, SCL, and EZE. I assume those will stick, particularly GRU and EZE. IIRC the only Caribbean destination seemed to be BDA.

They also have FCO for Europe and a bunch of seasonal Caribbean flights (some may be weekly rather than daily). I could see MXP eventually moving to PHL solely due to the amount of airlines on that route (DL, EK, Air Italy, AZ from JFK + UA from EWR), but I'm not sure if they would move any other Europe flights to PHL for a 2nd daily or just discontinue them from JFK and maintain PHL at its existing level for that city.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Apr 8, 2019 10:37 am


Originally Posted by lowfareair (Post 30978220)
They also have FCO for Europe and a bunch of seasonal Caribbean flights (some may be weekly rather than daily). I could see MXP eventually moving to PHL solely due to the amount of airlines on that route (DL, EK, Air Italy, AZ from JFK + UA from EWR), but I'm not sure if they would move any other Europe flights to PHL for a 2nd daily or just discontinue them from JFK and maintain PHL at its existing level for that city.

I think there's strong demand from NYC to MXP although with that number of airlines who knows what kind of yields AA is getting. I don't know what kind of demand would be outside of NYC. From what I understand Milan is a very industrial city. BCN is a bit strange as it would seem there isn't a huge local demand from NYC, unlike MAD. SCL is in fact LATAM.


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