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Originally Posted by golfingboy
(Post 30761834)
JFK-CLE/ORF/SAT getting trimmed in May. No confirmation whether this trimming is permanent or just for the month of May.
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Originally Posted by golfingboy
(Post 30761834)
JFK-MCO gone after June.
I was hoping she'd be able to go via MIA and enjoy one of the 767s or 777s that are currently rostered that afternoon and enjoy the Flagship Lounge on the stopover but unfortunately non-stop timings for the afternoon are the only way it'll work for her. This route going away is a personal loss for us, her grandparents live in Orlando and we used to enjoy the Friday afternoon/Sunday evening flights back every couple of months for the last four or five years. The MCO-JFK service in the evening went away in 2015 or so and we've put up with LGA arrivals for the last few years. With the timings on Friday evening service JFK-MCO getting later and later in the last 18months or so we've only used it the once, instead opting for B6's almost hourly service on brand new A321s. No Flagship Lounge and no FC which is rather annoying, but my wife won't fly DL unless it's an absolute last resort, even if it means downgrading to a loungeless, EMS seat on B6! |
Originally Posted by golfingboy
(Post 30761834)
JFK-MCO gone after June.
Originally Posted by Fraser
(Post 30831523)
Looks as though this has been brought forward.
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Can’t blame them for winding down JFK. I happily spend more to avoid that cesspool. |
The NYC/Florida routes are hyper competitive. Other than MIA AA has cut most of its fNYC to Florida flying out and AFAIK never had NYC/RSW or NYC/JAC.
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Originally Posted by Flight44
(Post 30831856)
Can’t blame them for winding down JFK. I happily spend more to avoid that cesspool. |
Originally Posted by Flight44
(Post 30831856)
Can’t blame them for winding down JFK. I happily spend more to avoid that cesspool. |
Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
(Post 30831886)
The NYC/Florida routes are hyper competitive. Other than MIA AA has cut most of its fNYC to Florida flying out and AFAIK never had NYC/RSW or NYC/JAC.
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Originally Posted by cmd320
(Post 30832364)
And instead enjoy the even worse cesspool that is Philly?
Most large airports in the US are pathetic examples of poor design, lousy maintenance, and shabby customer care. |
Are JFK slots use or lose? I'm surprised that AA would not have some service lined up to replace routes they cut. Presumably if they want high dollar corporate contracts in NY, they are going to have to figure out what will actually work for them.
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Originally Posted by Flight44
(Post 30832812)
Six of one, half dozen of the other. Most large airports in the US are pathetic examples of poor design, lousy maintenance, and shabby customer care. |
Under the FAA's slot allocation guidelines, a carrier must generally use a slot 80% of the available time or it can be reclaimed by the FAA. That said, carriers can lease their slots to other airlines so theoretically, AA could reduce its flights at JFK and lease the freed up slots to another airline (perhaps another OW member). It sure looks like AA is intent on paring back domestic service at JFK to just hub routes, west coast premium and a few key routes while relying on LGA for short/mid domestic hops and the bet is that this will be enough to keep corporate accounts happy.
From the FAA's order on JFK slots: 7. For the duration of this Order, a carrier may enter into a lease or trade of an Operating Authorization to another carrier for any consideration. Notice of a trade or lease under this paragraph must be submitted in writing to the FAA Slot Administration Office and must come from a designated representative of each carrier. The FAA must confirm and approve these transactions in writing prior to the effective date of the transaction. The FAA will approve transfers between carriers under the same marketing control up to five business days after the actual operation, but only to accommodate operational disruptions that occur on the same day of the scheduled operation. The FAA's approval of a trade or lease does not constitute a commitment by the FAA to grant the associated historical rights to any operator in the event that slot controls continue at JFK after this order expires. 8. A carrier may not buy, sell, trade, or transfer an Operating Authorization, except as described in paragraph 7. |
Originally Posted by Flight44
(Post 30832812)
Six of one, half dozen of the other. Most large airports in the US are pathetic examples of poor design, lousy maintenance, and shabby customer care. |
Originally Posted by stewlevine
(Post 30832947)
Are JFK slots use or lose? I'm surprised that AA would not have some service lined up to replace routes they cut. Presumably if they want high dollar corporate contracts in NY, they are going to have to figure out what will actually work for them.
Keep in mind JFK only has slot controls in the evening to night time, so if AA completely shrinks their daytime operation to zero they won’t lose any slots. |
Originally Posted by Flight44
(Post 30831856)
Can’t blame them for winding down JFK. I happily spend more to avoid that cesspool. The only JFK gripes I have are that the evening rush hour can mean longer taxi times (that said on a 5.30pm departure last week we were in the air 10mins after pushback) and although T8 is compact a great percentage of my flights seem to go from the further gates in the satellite concourse! |
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