Would be THRILLED with more Carib flights and at least some Asia flights. At least the Euro partners earn 2x EQM in J, would be great if Cathay did as well.

I agree more Caribbean service from JFK is a win.

I just worry that JetBlue has eaten their lunch and owns the NYC-Islands market over in T5. Even on the premium side some islands now have year round Mint service vs the 737-800.

Brutal is right. We just tried booking DFW to PUJ and the flight times were horrendous like in your example, or were 3x the cost for a normal time/not a crazy layover, etc. We ended up booking a flight to MIA, laying over for a few days to see the in-laws, and then onto PUJ and back to DFW and the flights dropped from $4k to about $1600.

Right? What do you even do with a 2:30am departure? I have a hard enough time staying awake / active for 11p-ish departures when I fly home from Africa or TLV.

This is why avoid connecting in the deep Middle East / Gulf. Those early AM / middle of the night departures are just r-o-u-g-h.

You are very right, I am sure United is thrilled with what Chairman Parker has done (ran away) at ORD. I sense LAX is not to far behind what has happened at JFK and ORD, expect PHX to be the west coast center of gravity of AA if Chairman Parker stays in control and AA is not forced into reorganization. With AA not making money except in selling miles to Citibank- Chairman Parker will continue to shift center of gravity operations from big markets with big costs and big competition to markets with smaller costs and less competition.... and while increasing aircraft seating density... that is what is in AA's future under Chairman Parker.

AA abandoning LAX and building up PHX as an international gateway is only slightly more ridiculous of an idea as when you suggested AA is going to imminently close the ORD flagship lounge.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...ounge-ord.html

Give it a rest.

BSE, in your case enjoy flying AA out of DEN as long as you can. Flying AA out of a United and Frontier hub offers you a lot of upgrades not afforded to PAX based out of AA hubs. I feel like a king flying AA now based out of SLC flying with a great upgrade and customer service percentage, thanks to SLC being a Delta hub. Something I likely would not be experiencing if I was home based out of DFW,ORD, CLT, etc.

My recommendation to you- fully exploit your AA relationship as fully as you can- I can see a lot of United, Frontier, and Southwest in your not so near future....if you stay DEN based.

And I fully stand behind the post about the likeliness of AA closing its ORD flagship lounge in the next decade, which is not so far away.

Yes, about as ridiculous as LCC's Chairman Parker buying American Airline on February 14, 2013.

People say this all the time but it makes little sense - I clear as many (more...actually) upgrades on flights that originate at the AA hubs I connect through (DFW, ORD, LAX and CLT primarily) than I do on flights that originate out of my base at DEN. SWUs always involve a hub at one end of the flight or the other. Let's take my domestic trip this week - out of the 4 total segments in the trip, I cleared two upgrades originating out of an AA hub: DFW-DCA and ORD-DEN. EQD, aircraft type, time and day make far more difference in upgrade clearance rates than does origin city (I'll allow that hub-to-hub flights might be a different story) Also - domestic upgrades aren't really I thing I care about in terms of how I judge an FFP.

There's an tendency on here to just complain regardless of whether the compliant is actually logical. Distracts from the many real issues with AA that there are to complain about.

I am in DCA right now, will be flying out tomorrow. I cleared an upgrade SLC to DFW, did not clear DFW to DCA. I will not clear DCA to DFW tomorrow, and I will clear DFW to SLC. I fly at peak business traveler times, and I average eight flights per week. Glad you have great success at upgrades to places like DCA, I do not..... My domestic spend with AA this year will be in the low 20k range. I am not a big player by any means- I do fly a lot for business.

I don't hate on AA. I stay with AA because of the EXP desk. When one flies eight times per week, stuff happens, and I have found the EXP desk to be awesome in helping me get to my destination. On my main cabin flight from DFW to DCA yesterday, I had awesome service, better than first class in some ways. AA sent me a survey and I shared how awesome the main cabin service was.

Am I beyond unhappy with Chairman Parker reducing pitch to Spirit and Frontier like pitches. Absolutely..... I average eight flights a week, I don't need to be in first class by any means..... but to be in a oasis main cabin on a three hour flight is simply painful for a loyal frequent business flyer.

You are both moving the goalposts and proving my point. Your original contention was that being based in DEN meant better upgrades rates than being based in a hub. That is a frequent claim - but it is also one that doesn't stand up to reason.

A typical trip for me will involve: DEN-HUB-XXX-HUB-DEN. So each trip involves 1 segment originating DEN, 2 segments originating at a HUB, and 1 segment originating at a different outstation. I'm regularly clearing upgrades originating at a hub - there's no evidence in my personal experience that I am any more likely to clear the upgrade on the DEN originating segments than I am on the HUB originating segments.

Ask me about aircraft. Ask me about time of day. Ask me about EQD level. Those all matter.

<and that's enough from me about upgrades in a thread that is ostensibly about JFK service levels>

As today's new route announcements slow, NYC continues to be neglected by AA. Is there a scenario where they would add any new international routes from New York?

I hope not :D

A scenario? Sure. A government subsidy. Likely? No.

If you are flying thru JFK in Nov/Dec check your reservations. A lot of cuts loaded across the board including ORD, DFW, LAX, BOS, LAS, PIT, RDU, etc.

Most definitely, there will be new ones, and before the the XLRs arrive.

Looking forward to when AA reveals the cards up their sleeves for NYC. Although with me recently moving to Baltimore and being sandwiched between two AA hubs it’s nice having a NYC option in addition to PHL/CLT on the east coast. The ground experience is vastly superior at JFK IMHO and it’s a bit disappointing that AA is really dragging their feet in bringing the necessary premium upgrades at PHL.

We had booked JFK-ORD this coming April 2020 (flights booked Sep 2019). Found out earlier this week that all AA JFK-ORD flights are cancelled on our travel date. Rebooked LGA-ORD, as didn’t want the hassle of a connecting flight JFK-CMH-ORD.
Shame, as we were looking forward to trying out the AA Flagship First check in and Flagship lounge at JFK (BA OWE).

I had wanted to fly ORF-JFK-EZE in April and when I went to book the other day, ORF-LGA-JFK- EZE was showing up. AA Twitter reps looked into it and said ORF-JFK was being discontinued on April 6. Ugh, I used to fly through JFK for international connections a lot!

Have AA route you ORF/MIA/EZE. The ORF/MIA flight is on a ER4 though but I'd still take that over a LGA/JFK transfer.

Wow......was trying to book LGA-ORD next week and the "Shuttle" schedules are awful this month.....infrequent service, RJ's, A319's with only 8F......WTH? Does AA not understand that business travel starts back up after the holidays? Back to the DL Shuttle which is still hourly and all mainline.

Given the timing, I wonder if this is more a function of the MAX delays (and knock-on effects) than the ongoing pullbacks in NYC.

DL has 13 flights, AA has 12, and I find the E 175 and DL 717 pretty comparable.

not a single flight between 830am and 1230pm is absolutely ridiculous

Most days there is a 9:30am.

You complain about an RJ and you complain about a small mainline aircraft as well, and you complain that 12 runs a day is insufficient. What exactly would be satisfactory to you? 767-300s on the half hour? Or would those take too long to board?

Not sure how 8F, 12F, or 24F affects you if you are buying first class. I don't think AA believes it is in the business of optimizing aircraft type to ensure you get a free upgrade.

Was excited about B6 filling the NYC hole, but it'll be neat if AS also ends up adding a bunch more JFK flights in the name of improving OW connectivity given how many OW airlines fly to JFK. SAN's not a bad start.
https://crankyflier.com/2021/01/12/a...th-new-routes/

I'm skeptical of Alaska's ability to complete on these TCONs without lie-flats. If I'm connecting to Europe from the West Coast in the premium cabin, I'm going to want a consistent experience.

Poor SAN. We used to have daily 763 flights to JFK, then it went 737 MAX and then nothing. At least AS is in Terminal 2 unlike B6, which is with the low-rent airlines in Terminal 1.

But, as a SAN based flier, if I'm flying J to Europe I'm not going to want to take AS to JFK. In the back of the bus, maybe.

Oh, and we have to drive to LAX or fly through PHX now. Does AA hate us because of our perfect weather?!?

Thought of this thread when reading today about AA losing 7 JFK slots because they didn't realize they had them after the US merger. :rolleyes: Is there an alternative history where they would have had those extra slots and could have been relevant in NYC?

While the news didn't shock me it does make me wonder exactly what level of incompetence would be necessary to get the attention of the board of directors.

Apparantly, it's pretty hard to get fired, have your bonus curtailed or otherwise have your membership in "the club" revoked.

Yeah pretty huge error with no consequences for anyone of note. :rolleyes:

Maybe the slap on the wrist was revoking the offender's Admiral's Club benefit. :eek::D