Aug 13, 2016, 6:43 pm
Last edit by: Prospero
Impossible, Illogical and Duplicate Bookings
"American Airlines specifically prohibits practices commonly known as: (in part)
"Duplicate and impossible/illogical bookings: Duplicate or impossible/illogical American Airlines bookings are prohibited without prior authorization from American Airlines. A duplicate or impossible/illogical booking includes, but is not limited to, bookings for the same passenger on flights traveling on or about the same date between one or more of the same or nearby origin and/or destination (such as JFK to DFW and LGA to DFW or DFW to LAX and DFW to ONT), or bookings with connections that depart before the arrival of the inbound flight."
Also please note: "Fraudulent, fictitious and abusive bookings: Fraudulent, fictitious and/or abusive bookings are prohibited. These types of bookings are defined as any bookings made without having been requested by or on behalf of the named passenger. Additionally, creating bookings to hold or block seats for the purpose of obtaining lower fares, AAdvantage award inventory, or upgrades that may not otherwise be available, or to gain access to airport facilities, or to circumvent any of American Airlines' fare rules or policies, is prohibited without prior authorization from American Airlines."
Link to AA Conditions of Carriage
Link to Sep 2010 thread announcing AA issuance of rules pertaining to this issue.
"American Airlines specifically prohibits practices commonly known as: (in part)
"Duplicate and impossible/illogical bookings: Duplicate or impossible/illogical American Airlines bookings are prohibited without prior authorization from American Airlines. A duplicate or impossible/illogical booking includes, but is not limited to, bookings for the same passenger on flights traveling on or about the same date between one or more of the same or nearby origin and/or destination (such as JFK to DFW and LGA to DFW or DFW to LAX and DFW to ONT), or bookings with connections that depart before the arrival of the inbound flight."
Also please note: "Fraudulent, fictitious and abusive bookings: Fraudulent, fictitious and/or abusive bookings are prohibited. These types of bookings are defined as any bookings made without having been requested by or on behalf of the named passenger. Additionally, creating bookings to hold or block seats for the purpose of obtaining lower fares, AAdvantage award inventory, or upgrades that may not otherwise be available, or to gain access to airport facilities, or to circumvent any of American Airlines' fare rules or policies, is prohibited without prior authorization from American Airlines."
Link to AA Conditions of Carriage
Link to Sep 2010 thread announcing AA issuance of rules pertaining to this issue.
Duplicate, impossible and illogical bookings on AA (master thd)
Aug 13, 2016, 11:54 am
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Can I have two overlapping Awards ticketed as EXP?
Not sure what flights i want to take, have plenty of points. Can i book and ticket two overlapping award tickets knowing I will cancel one as EXP? or will AA cancel that out?
Thanks
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Aug 13, 2016, 12:20 pm
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If they are not on the same day then yes. Meaning you can't have two departures and/or two arrivals on the same day. If you do it's only a matter of time before they are (most likely) both cancelled.
Aug 13, 2016, 1:02 pm
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If you are referring to the same flights, I know that the system prevents you from doing so. It gives you an error message that the second redemption seems like a duplicate.
For award flights on different routes, then I believe you run into the risk of cancellation as mentioned above.
For award flights on different routes, then I believe you run into the risk of cancellation as mentioned above.
Aug 13, 2016, 6:19 pm
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Thanks
Thanks so much for this feedback. Sounds like a risky proposition. Would be the same day of travel. Different routes and airlines, but same date.
Aug 13, 2016, 6:31 pm
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Aug 13, 2016, 6:43 pm
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Aug 13, 2016, 9:00 pm
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Aug 13, 2016, 9:37 pm
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Aug 13, 2016, 11:05 pm
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If these are AAdvantage awards booked through AA (how else would they be booked?), how difficult could it be to catch duplicate, impossible or illogical bookings?
Aug 13, 2016, 11:30 pm
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Aug 16, 2016, 1:00 pm
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Based on personal experience, I can confirm duplicate bookings on different airlines -- even if both are booked on AA.com -- will not be cancelled.
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Jan 4, 2017, 12:17 am
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So, I have the following:
SEA-XXX cash ticket one on AA on Day N (coming in the next few days), booked via AS (AS ticket number).
XXX-YYY cash ticket two on AA on Day N+1, booked via AA (AA ticket number).
The plan was to spend an enjoyable evening in XXX followed by a flight to YYY the next day. I need to be in YYY by Day N+2, or else I end up with a very costly penalty in terms of vacation plans. Everything has loads of time built in.
Except... SEA is showing itself to be a complete goat rodeo these days once the thermometer gets close to freezing- tons of delays and cancelled flights. Oh, look, snow forecast on Day N. Merde.
So now I've booked, with AS miles, on day N+1:
SEA-ZZZ-YYY, SEA-ZZZ on AS, ZZZ-YYY on AA (AS ticket number, natch).
Am I at risk for the AA cash ticket two being cancelled? (I assume AA isn't going to touch an AS ticket, as they can't until it's time for airport control, by which point I'll know if I'm good and hosed on day N.)
I'm trying to avoid being stuck in SEA with nobody actually responsible to get me to YYY by Day N+2, and with tons of people jamming the queues to get out of town. I'm fine with eating the XXX-YYY ticket if SEA does turn into the aforementioned goat rodeo (the SEA-XXX ticket won't be a problem as MVPG, the funds come back to me), but if it doesn't, as an MVPG the SEA-ZZZ-YYY is cancelable and fully refunable with a modest $12.50 fee all that I risk. I see it as insurance. But I don't want to throw away the XXX-YYY ticket yet. Nor do I want to wait until the absolute last minute to book an award ticket for backup plan.
Did I hose myself here trying to preserve my ability to get out of Dodge because AA will auto-cancel me? Or is the fact that one of those duplicate tickets is an AS ticket going to save my bacon?
SEA-XXX cash ticket one on AA on Day N (coming in the next few days), booked via AS (AS ticket number).
XXX-YYY cash ticket two on AA on Day N+1, booked via AA (AA ticket number).
The plan was to spend an enjoyable evening in XXX followed by a flight to YYY the next day. I need to be in YYY by Day N+2, or else I end up with a very costly penalty in terms of vacation plans. Everything has loads of time built in.
Except... SEA is showing itself to be a complete goat rodeo these days once the thermometer gets close to freezing- tons of delays and cancelled flights. Oh, look, snow forecast on Day N. Merde.
So now I've booked, with AS miles, on day N+1:
SEA-ZZZ-YYY, SEA-ZZZ on AS, ZZZ-YYY on AA (AS ticket number, natch).
Am I at risk for the AA cash ticket two being cancelled? (I assume AA isn't going to touch an AS ticket, as they can't until it's time for airport control, by which point I'll know if I'm good and hosed on day N.)
I'm trying to avoid being stuck in SEA with nobody actually responsible to get me to YYY by Day N+2, and with tons of people jamming the queues to get out of town. I'm fine with eating the XXX-YYY ticket if SEA does turn into the aforementioned goat rodeo (the SEA-XXX ticket won't be a problem as MVPG, the funds come back to me), but if it doesn't, as an MVPG the SEA-ZZZ-YYY is cancelable and fully refunable with a modest $12.50 fee all that I risk. I see it as insurance. But I don't want to throw away the XXX-YYY ticket yet. Nor do I want to wait until the absolute last minute to book an award ticket for backup plan.
Did I hose myself here trying to preserve my ability to get out of Dodge because AA will auto-cancel me? Or is the fact that one of those duplicate tickets is an AS ticket going to save my bacon?
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Jan 4, 2017 at 12:23 am
Feb 13, 2017, 3:48 pm
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Multiple award bookings for same person and same city-pair
If an EXP were to make multiple bookings for the same city-pair on adjacent days, what are the likely consequences?
Not being quite sure of the travel date, if an EXP booked the same trip on several consecutive dates, is there likely to be any adverse consequence?
PS. I know that blocking award space means someone else cannot get them, so please spare me the lecture on that score
Not being quite sure of the travel date, if an EXP booked the same trip on several consecutive dates, is there likely to be any adverse consequence?
PS. I know that blocking award space means someone else cannot get them, so please spare me the lecture on that score
Feb 13, 2017, 3:59 pm
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If an EXP were to make multiple bookings for the same city-pair on adjacent days, what are the likely consequences?
Not being quite sure of the travel date, if an EXP booked the same trip on several consecutive dates, is there likely to be any adverse consequence?
PS. I know that blocking award space means someone else cannot get them, so please spare me the lecture on that score
Not being quite sure of the travel date, if an EXP booked the same trip on several consecutive dates, is there likely to be any adverse consequence?
PS. I know that blocking award space means someone else cannot get them, so please spare me the lecture on that score