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Old Jun 18, 2016, 2:27 pm
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oneworld announces alliance airlines no longer required to honor missed connections or interline baggage for those on separate PNRs

NOTE: See AA Protection on separate oneworld tickets / PNR

AA policy: “Through Checked Baggage Policy – Separate Tickets“ - see PDF available attached to post #1.

Background:
Originally Posted by OAG

According to OAG’s most recent report, “Self-Connection: The Rise and Roadblocks of a Growing Travel Booking Strategy,” 40 percent of U.S. travellers are bypassing typical booking practices, such as through an airline, travel agency or OTA, and are beginning to self-connect when they travel.

Self-connecting passengers are defined as those that book separate tickets to fly from City A to City C, via City B.

Already popular in Europe, self-connecting is beginning to increase in popularity in the U.S. market as passengers look to save money. Passengers can mix and match airlines in order to score the best deal or connect through a city they would like to visit on the way to their final destination. But what are some of the roadblocks and challenges to successfully self-connect, and how can airlines or airports make this process easier?
oneworld airlines are not required to provide connecting passenger protection of through checked baggage to passengers on separate PNRs; individual airlines may still choose to do so, but it is not required. AA, BA, QF (9/2016) have modified their policies regarding connection protection and baggage through checking of passengers flying on separate PNRs. Read on. (Yes, it means on separate PNRs AA won't even through check on AA to AA - link to ODF.))

Qatar Airways / QR has verified as of 1 March 2017 they will interline baggage on separate PNRs. They must be the first airline (not one honoring the original oneworld policy) one checks in with, and the connection must meet MCT (usually two hours). See more in post quoted below, and link to Australian Business Traveller article. (26 Feb 2017)

MH / Malaysia Airlines STILL HONOR connection protection and through checking / interlining on separate PNRs.

Cathay Pacific and Cathay Dragon reversed their policy and through check baggage on separate PNRs as of 1 Jan 2017. See post #1.

JL / Japan Airlines began through checking to oneworld partners again in Oct 2016.

Qatar Airways will through check baggage to oneworld partners if it’s the trip origin airline.

See Wikipost for this thread in oneworld forum for the list of oneworld airlines and known through checking policies.

Link to American Airlines' policy on through checking baggage as of 1 Sep 2016. Notice that different protocols are followed in IROPS / OSO conditions.

As well, “if you book an award ticket and a paid ticket at the same time, there are mixed reports here of well trained agents being able to combine these into a single PNR at the time of booking, which enables bags to be through checked. But this takes a good agent, probably several HUCAs, and can only be done at the time of booking. “ - JJeffrey

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Through Checked Baggage Policy (AA, 1 Sep 2016) (link to PDF)

To align American Airlines (AA) with our oneworld partners and to reduce
baggage mishandlings, we will now only through check customers and
baggage when all the tickets are in the same PNR.

Through check-in will be honored between the following carriers only:
  • Code:
    American Airlines and American Eagle
    • Code:
       oneworld airlines and affiliates


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What if I have separate tickets in the same PNR for itineraries with
American to a non-oneworld carrier?

"Our policy on American to non-oneworld airline tickets has not changed.
We will not through check customers or bags even if the tickets are in
the same PNR."

What would be the bag charges if the customer holds separate tickets
in separate PNRs?

American will not through check a customer’s bag, regardless if it is
a oneworld carrier. The customer will need to collect their bag at
the final destination on the AA ticket. They will pay for the bag on the
second ticket when they recheck it. This may involve exiting the secure
area, then claiming and re-checking the bags. The Minimum Connecting
Time (MCT) will usually not be sufficient when the customer has separate
tickets issued for each airline.

International flights on separate PNRs (or to non-oneworld carriers) will usually require claiming bags, clearing customs and rechecking bags on another carrier to be continued to their next destination.

What will customers be charged if we can through check the bag?

The charges would depend on what tickets the customer holds in the same PNR.

Do Alaska and our other codeshare/interline partners count as affiliate airlines?

No, the oneworld affiliate airlines are generally the regional partners of the other oneworld carriers. If a customer held an AS ticket and an AA ticket in the same PNR we would not through check the bag. They would need to reclaim then recheck their bag with AS.
When issuing separate tickets it is important your customer be informed that American is unable to ‘through-check' bags with 2 separate tickets (PNRs) if they are traveling on American and non-oneworld carriers. This will result in an airport check-in representative collecting the required baggage fees based on each airline's established policies.

Please advise the customer to allow additional time to claim their baggage, present the required travel documents to enter the country, if relevant, and meet check-in requirements for the connecting flight. The Minimum Connecting Time (MCT) will usually not be sufficient when the customer has separate tickets issued for each airline.

Link

(One PNR can be comprised of several tickets - up to 16, if memory serves.)

Australian Business Traveller (in part): “Despite the two airlines' (AA and QF) joint venture across the Pacific, check-in staff are no longer obliged to tag your baggage through to your final destination from September 1 2016 if your flights are booked separately (separate ONRs) rather than under the one reservation.”

Instead, those bags will only be tagged as far as the destination shown on each individual booking – not where you’re actually headed at the end of the trip. Both Qantas and American Airlines have confirmed the new arrangements to Australian Business Traveller.
Those also announcing they will NOT HONOR connection protection and through checking / interlining on separate PNRs, even on oneworld airline partners. (AA still honors connection protection if your next flight is on AA.)

E.g. CX new policy in line with above:

"+ oneworld Ticketing and Disruption Policy 01 Jun 2016

Separate Ticket Policy - Revised Through Check in Handling

With effect from 01 Jun 2016, all oneworld carriers have agreed that through* check-in will apply ONLY to passengers travelling on an oneworld itinerary ticketed on a single ticket or where segments are ticketed separately but in the same PNR.

*=Through services are defined as the customer and their baggage being through checked to their final destinations.

To align with the change, disruption policy will also be revised to exclude protection for passengers holding separate tickets that is not booked under the same PNR."
NOTE: CX will still offer protection and baggage interlining between Cathay Pacific and Cathay Dragon.

Oneworld (sic) communications chief Michael Blunt tells Australian Business Traveller that “individual member airlines are free to offer service above and beyond the (Oneworld) alliance minimum standard if they so choose, so some may continue to offer through check-in for customers travelling on separate bookings.”

"All our member airlines will be delighted to continue to check them and their baggage through to any of the 1,000 plus destinations on the alliance network, on multiple sectors,” Blunt says, “provided the itinerary is all on one booking so we are aware of where they and their baggage want to end up and we can plan accordingly and ensure the best possible customer service delivery throughout the journey.”

M. Blunt, as quoted in Australian Business Traveller
Gary Leff, View from the Wing, 16 Aug 2016: reached out to American and learned this new policy goes into effect September 1 although I’m not sure how they can retroactively apply it to tickets purchased before the new policy was implemented.

There’s one small saving grace. Customers traveling on separate tickets where one segment is an award ticket and another has been purchased can through-check bags. Travel must be on American or oneworld partners, and not on partners outside the oneworld alliance (like Etihad or Air Tahiti Nui). Tickets much be in the same reservation. Link
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  • If you’re booked on two separate PNRs on oneworld carriers, you’ve previously been able to check your bags through to your final destination
  • If you’re booked on two separate tickets on oneworld carriers, you’ve been protected in the event of a misconnect or cancelation


As of June 1, 2016, the oneworld alliance has eliminated these benefits for passengers booked on separate tickets. Oneworld carriers no longer have to check your bags through to other oneworld carriers if booked on a separate ticket, and no longer have to protect you in the event of a misconnect when on separate tickets."

Link to full article in Boarding Area
"In a move which could cause connection chaos for many travellers, airlines belonging to the Oneworld (sic) alliance ... are no longer required to check passengers and their baggage through to their final destination on some connecting flights.

"The new scheme, which came into effect from June 1st (2016), impacts passengers whose journey involves flights on more than one airline where their travel encompasses more than one booking, rather than all flights being listed under a single booking reference. "

But, good news for those flying Qatar Airways:

Originally Posted by JDiver
Important change! Qatar Airways has announced they will no longer adhere to oneworld's draconian baggage transfer policy when flights are booked on separate PNRs.

As long as MCT / minimum connection times are met, QR will interline baggage on separate oneworld PNRs as of 1 March 2017.

Australian Business Traveller found the change in the QR ground services manual issued 23 Feb 2017, verified by a QR spokesperson.

NOTE: If one is beginning travel with a one world airline adhering to the oneworld policy and continuing on Qatar, one flying on separate PNRs is still going to have to collect baggage and recheck with QR.

E.g. SFO-LAX on AA, LAX-DOH-CMB on QR, two PNRs - the first sector on AA, remainder on QR, AA will not respect QR ground handling rules so one will have to recover baggage at LAX and transfer it to the QR checkin counter.

(Added to Wikipost 26 Feb 2017)

Link to full article on Australian Business Traveller
Link to update of Aus BT article with airline announcements of their positions

On FT: oneworld no longer interlining between separate tickets / PNRs?

On FT: BA no longer interlining baggage with separate tickets

On FT: CX will not interline to other oneworld airlines if travelling on separate PNRs

On FT: JAL will continue to interline to other oneworld carriers on separate PNRs (4 Oct 2016)

On FT: Qantas - no checking of luggage separate itineraries from 1 Sep (2016) [some exceptions]

Archived previous thread: ARCHIVE: Change to through-checking Oct 2014 (interlining) baggage on separate tickets

Updated 26 Feb 2017 - JDiver
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Old Jan 22, 2017, 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by FobbyFlyer
Thanks for this suggestion flyerCO...I assume Cathay will have no issue doing this for an OWE or has anyone experienced the opposite?
I wouldn't rely on this. When you get to HKG your bags will be sent to the baggage claim. You would have to hope that after you go through security and make it to the transit desk that CX can somehow intercept your bag and retag it before it's delivered to the belt, and there's no guarantee of that. Now CX does do this in some circumstances. We were flying to ORD on one ticket then ORD-HKG-DPS on a separate CX ticket. We had an overnight at HKG so AA wouldn't check our bags all the way through. When we checked in at ORD with CX the CX agent retagged our bags to DPS (electronically - man those were the good ol' days when oneworld actually functioned as an alliance). But this was a different circumstance than yours.
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They don't have to get the bags before they hit the belt. In fact them hitting the claim belt will make it easier for them to know where to find and collect them. When I said they'll call baggage I was meaning to call and get bags from the claim belt. BTW I just did this in HKG going from a non-OW airline to CX. They were quite happy to oblige.
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They don't have to get the bags before they hit the belt. In fact them hitting the claim belt will make it easier for them to know where to find and collect them. When I said they'll call baggage I was meaning to call and get bags from the claim belt. BTW I just did this in HKG going from a non-OW airline to CX. They were quite happy to oblige.
Specific to Hong Kong, this can definitely be done. It's the standard procedure for the through ferry service (where you don't clear immigration in HKG but proceed directly to China or Macau).
Whether CX will do it, on the other hand, I'd be a little more hesitant to speculate--but I'll defer to the above who says he had no trouble.

I have personally done this in Jakarta and Mumbai, which are both airports where things aren't really set up for connections. I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly, both were in Business Class which may or may not have affected it.
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Old Jan 30, 2017, 10:57 pm
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Transfer desk to re-tag checked bags

Originally Posted by flyerCO
Can also goto the transfer desk at most international airports and give the agents your bag tags and explain AA would only tag to that airport. They'll call down to baggage and have the bags picked up, retagged and on their way.
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Now CX does do this in some circumstances. We were flying to ORD on one ticket then ORD-HKG-DPS on a separate CX ticket. We had an overnight at HKG so AA wouldn't check our bags all the way through. When we checked in at ORD with CX the CX agent retagged our bags to DPS (electronically - man those were the good ol' days when oneworld actually functioned as an alliance). But this was a different circumstance than yours.
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Specific to Hong Kong, this can definitely be done. It's the standard procedure for the through ferry service (where you don't clear immigration in HKG but proceed directly to China or Macau).
Whether CX will do it, on the other hand, I'd be a little more hesitant to speculate--but I'll defer to the above who says he had no trouble.

I have personally done this in Jakarta and Mumbai, which are both airports where things aren't really set up for connections. I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly, both were in Business Class which may or may not have affected it.
Regarding getting agents at the transfer desk to re-tag checked bags, does anyone have experience of it at NRT? I did it a couple of times in HKG, and in BKK, SIN, DXB, but haven't had any experience in NRT.

I have ticket 1 on AA with the last leg DFW-NRT arriving at 4:30pm, and intend to buy ticket 2 on JL with the first leg NRT-SIN leaving at 5:55pm. Both are revenue tickets. Since AA would not interline, I'm afraid that I won't make it if I have to clear immigration and pick up/re-check baggage at NRT. If the transfer desk can re-tag my bags, then I should be fine.

So anyone had experience at NRT transfer desk to re-tag checked bags?

Alternatively, is there a way that I can get JL to issue my ticket 2 on the same PNR of ticket 1 (issued by AA)?

This is getting complicated and I wish someone could help. Many thanks.
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Interline with BA: Can bags get checked through on a separate ticket?

I have tickets booked on a BA flight out of LAX. But now I'd like to add a LAS-LAX short hop on AA a few hours before the BA flight. So can bags be checked in at LAS all the way through to LHR?
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No, they can not.
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I have tickets booked on a BA flight out of LAX. But now I'd like to add a LAS-LAX short hop on AA a few hours before the BA flight. So can bags be checked in at LAS all the way through to LHR?
No, If you want that benefit, need to change the BA booking to start in LAS rather than LAX. BA does also have a non stop service to LHR from LAS, so may be able to save going via LAX
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No, If you want that benefit, need to change the BA booking to start in LAS rather than LAX. BA does also have a non stop service to LHR from LAS, so may be able to save going via LAX
I tried that and it was an extra thousand dollars or so.
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Regarding getting agents at the transfer desk to re-tag checked bags, does anyone have experience of it at NRT? I did it a couple of times in HKG, and in BKK, SIN, DXB, but haven't had any experience in NRT.

I have ticket 1 on AA with the last leg DFW-NRT arriving at 4:30pm, and intend to buy ticket 2 on JL with the first leg NRT-SIN leaving at 5:55pm. Both are revenue tickets. Since AA would not interline, I'm afraid that I won't make it if I have to clear immigration and pick up/re-check baggage at NRT. If the transfer desk can re-tag my bags, then I should be fine.

So anyone had experience at NRT transfer desk to re-tag checked bags?

Alternatively, is there a way that I can get JL to issue my ticket 2 on the same PNR of ticket 1 (issued by AA)?

This is getting complicated and I wish someone could help. Many thanks.
Even if bags could be checked thru, it would be an unwise connection. Not unusual for this flight to be up an hour late. I would allow 3 hours min for this type of connection when traveling long distance westbound.
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Originally Posted by kkg
Regarding getting agents at the transfer desk to re-tag checked bags, does anyone have experience of it at NRT? I did it a couple of times in HKG, and in BKK, SIN, DXB, but haven't had any experience in NRT.

I have ticket 1 on AA with the last leg DFW-NRT arriving at 4:30pm, and intend to buy ticket 2 on JL with the first leg NRT-SIN leaving at 5:55pm. Both are revenue tickets. Since AA would not interline, I'm afraid that I won't make it if I have to clear immigration and pick up/re-check baggage at NRT. If the transfer desk can re-tag my bags, then I should be fine.

So anyone had experience at NRT transfer desk to re-tag checked bags?

Alternatively, is there a way that I can get JL to issue my ticket 2 on the same PNR of ticket 1 (issued by AA)?

This is getting complicated and I wish someone could help. Many thanks.
With tickets issued by two different carriers, combining into a single PNR is not going to happen, I'm quite sure.

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Even if bags could be checked thru, it would be an unwise connection. Not unusual for this flight to be up an hour late. I would allow 3 hours min for this type of connection when traveling long distance westbound.
Agreed. I had the same itinerary before the interline rule change. Even with check-through and no immigration/security to deal with, it was close.

The "transfer desk" was literally a long table with maybe a half-dozen agents facing a mob. A couple more agents were calling imminent flights and herding those people; I made my flight by being one of them.

No idea how it's done now that separate tickets and re-checking baggage are in the picture.
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In view of the changes described in this thread, can anyone advise me re: my best options for checking my luggage all the way through on this routing:

Flying on 2 separate awards (2 PNRs) SFO-LAX(AA)-NRT(JL) and then NRT-SYD(JL)-BNE(QF).
Will I be able to check my luggage all the way to BNE? If I have to pick them and re-check in NRT, I have 2 hrs 40 min (J to F, if that makes any difference)
Or, would it be better to check them only to LAX on AA and then recheck on JL to SYD?
TIA
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Originally Posted by Paulchili
In view of the changes described in this thread, can anyone advise me re: my best options for checking my luggage all the way through on this routing:

Flying on 2 separate awards (2 PNRs) SFO-LAX(AA)-NRT(JL) and then NRT-SYD(JL)-BNE(QF).
Will I be able to check my luggage all the way to BNE? If I have to pick them and re-check in NRT, I have 2 hrs 40 min (J to F, if that makes any difference)
Or, would it be better to check them only to LAX on AA and then recheck on JL to SYD?
TIA
FT has a thread from last fall discussing the announcement that "JAL will continue to interline to other oneworld carriers on separate PNRs ...".

So your cross-ticket JL-JL definitely should not be a problem. You'll have to claim in LAX because AA won't interline, re-check with JL to SYD if not BNE; you'd need to pull it for customs at SYD anyway, I assume.
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Originally Posted by SpammersAreScum
FT has a thread from last fall discussing the announcement that "JAL will continue to interline to other oneworld carriers on separate PNRs ...".

So your cross-ticket JL-JL definitely should not be a problem. You'll have to claim in LAX because AA won't interline, re-check with JL to SYD if not BNE; you'd need to pull it for customs at SYD anyway, I assume.
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Thank you.
Just spoke with AA (Plat desk - FWIW)and was told that I cannot pick it up in LAX - it will go to NRT where I will have to re-check it
I would much prefer to do it in LA so that I would not have to do immigration/customs/re-check in NRT and enjoy the F lounge instead.
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Originally Posted by Paulchili
Just spoke with AA (Plat desk - FWIW)and was told that I cannot pick it up in LAX - it will go to NRT where I will have to re-check it
I would much prefer to do it in LA so that I would not have to do immigration/customs/re-check in NRT and enjoy the F lounge instead.
Not sure I would trust the Plat line to be correct on this -- I would at least ask again at SFO and see if they can check the bags to LAX but not onward to NRT. Check-in agents have a lot of flexibility in their systems that a reservations agent may not be familiar with.
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