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teemuflyer Mar 15, 2017 4:44 am


Originally Posted by rockflyertalk (Post 28039441)
Hi

I am travelling from JFK Terminal 8 in Y on AA and I'm OW Sapphire (BA Silver). Do I have access to the new Lounge? Are the new lounges now open?

Thanks

You'll have access to the Admirals Club(s) in T8. Not aware if the renovations are complete. Eventually you will be able to access the new Flagship Lounge once the new rules come into play, but the exact date for that is TBD.

flyalways Jul 11, 2017 4:17 am

Last line of this WIKI is incorrect !
 
Hi there,

"Children: AA and most lounges will admit young children without applying guest access limitations. Children 18 or over will be seen as adults falling under guest rules, unless you're an Admirals Club member seeking Club access with "immediate family".

Recently myself + wife and our 13 year old son were on Economy tickets
at CDG Admirals club. As AA EXP they insisted that I can only get 1 guest
in the club. They were adamant about it and refused entry for three of us.

I went next door to CX lounge which also denied us entry. I can
fully understand CX's reasoning because of money exchanging
hands and not getting paid for 3 guests. They had valid reason not
to accept us.

We then had my wife go to AA lounge with me while me + Son went to
CX lounge. Coming to think of it, AA lounge dragon's inflexibility in
accommodating us cost AA whatever money they now need to pay CX for
two guests :td:

F.A.

Dave Noble Jul 11, 2017 6:18 am


Originally Posted by flyalways (Post 28545804)
Hi there,

"Children: AA and most lounges will admit young children without applying guest access limitations. Children 18 or over will be seen as adults falling under guest rules, unless you're an Admirals Club member seeking Club access with "immediate family".

Recently myself + wife and our 13 year old son were on Economy tickets
at CDG Admirals club. As AA EXP they insisted that I can only get 1 guest
in the club. They were adamant about it and refused entry for three of us.

I went next door to CX lounge which also denied us entry. I can
fully understand CX's reasoning because of money exchanging
hands and not getting paid for 3 guests. They had valid reason not
to accept us.

We then had my wife go to AA lounge with me while me + Son went to
CX lounge. Coming to think of it, AA lounge dragon's inflexibility in
accommodating us cost AA whatever money they now need to pay CX for
two guests :td:

F.A.

I wouldn't class 13 as a young child - airlines even charge for them as adults

I agree that such a comment in the wiki is perhaps not a great thing to have and should set the expectation that the lounges will apply the rules as published. There may be some airlines that will not count them for lounge admission, but those should just be listed

JDiver Jul 11, 2017 6:58 am


Originally Posted by flyalways (Post 28545804)
Hi there,

"Children: AA and most lounges will admit young children without applying guest access limitations. Children 18 or over will be seen as adults falling under guest rules, unless you're an Admirals Club member seeking Club access with "immediate family".

Recently myself + wife and our 13 year old son were on Economy tickets
at CDG Admirals club. As AA EXP they insisted that I can only get 1 guest
in the club. They were adamant about it and refused entry for three of us.

I went next door to CX lounge which also denied us entry. I can
fully understand CX's reasoning because of money exchanging
hands and not getting paid for 3 guests. They had valid reason not
to accept us.

We then had my wife go to AA lounge with me while me + Son went to
CX lounge. Coming to think of it, AA lounge dragon's inflexibility in
accommodating us cost AA whatever money they now need to pay CX for
two guests :td:

F.A.

Meaning you violated Lounge rules stating you must remain with your guest, as well as the lounge access you had based on status with one guest.

I believe if you had an infant child you'd had no problem, but 13 years old - you paid an adult ticket for him, right?

Whilst I certainly do empathize with your plight, you clearly did violate the Lounge access rules.

As to the Wikipost, Wikiposts are, like Wikis, community property, maintained by the community (on FlyerTalk, that means signed in members with 90 days and 90 posts). The information provided in a Wiki or Wikipost is only as up to date as the community keeps it, and though they may attempt to summarize airline rules, etc. have no official status and are always superseded by the airline's, etc. Rules (which may change overnight).

I've updated the phrasing to be less ambiguous than what you quoted - you interpreted that language to believe a 13 year old is a "young child". And some Lounges are more family oriented, whilst others are very much "by the book" (BA is one airline notorious for their parsimonious lounge access enforcement).

zpaul Jul 11, 2017 7:07 am


Originally Posted by josua (Post 26928829)
Say I am Emerald through AA and BA. Will I have access to FC lounges on solely domestic AA flights via my BA status?
The part that trips me up is the exclusion of AAdvantage members. Maybe just my reading comprehension is off?
If I do have access, does it matter to which program I am crediting my domestic travel?
I've read the thread and didn't see these facts addressed.
Thanks.

I'm a double-Emerald as well and can confirm that all I've had to do is show my LATAM Black card even when crediting to AA for FL access (and QF First at LAX). Access to Flagship Checkin didn't work since I wasn't on the list but later confirmed in the FL that I should have been granted access.

flyalways Jul 11, 2017 9:44 am

Meaning you violated Lounge rules stating you must remain with your guest, as well as the lounge access you had based on status with one guest.

I believe if you had an infant child you'd had no problem, but 13 years old - you paid an adult ticket for him, right?

Whilst I certainly do empathize with your plight, you clearly did violate the Lounge access rules.


>>> I am sorry if I missed this but do not see statement anywhere that says
that I need to stay with the guest in the lounge. I really did not think I was
violating any rules. I in fact mentioned this to both lounge attendants
and they did not object to me doing it.

I've updated the phrasing to be less ambiguous than what you quoted - you interpreted that language to believe a 13 year old is a "young child". And some Lounges are more family oriented, whilst others are very much "by the book" (BA is one airline notorious for their parsimonious lounge access enforcement).

I was reading the wiki and noticed 18+ as Adults and that is why I
commented. Yes, we did pay for him as Adult but I interpreted the Wiki
to mean under 18 kids to be OK as "non-guests" !

Thanks again for your response.

JDiver Jul 11, 2017 9:55 am


Originally Posted by flyalways (Post 28546924)
Meaning you violated Lounge rules stating you must remain with your guest, as well as the lounge access you had based on status with one guest.

I believe if you had an infant child you'd had no problem, but 13 years old - you paid an adult ticket for him, right?

Whilst I certainly do empathize with your plight, you clearly did violate the Lounge access rules.


>>> I am sorry if I missed this but do not see statement anywhere that says
that I need to stay with the guest in the lounge. I really did not think I was
violating any rules. I in fact mentioned this to both lounge attendants
and they did not object to me doing it.

I've updated the phrasing to be less ambiguous than what you quoted - you interpreted that language to believe a 13 year old is a "young child". And some Lounges are more family oriented, whilst others are very much "by the book" (BA is one airline notorious for their parsimonious lounge access enforcement).

I was reading the wiki and noticed 18+ as Adults and that is why I
commented. Yes, we did pay for him as Adult but I interpreted the Wiki
to mean under 18 kids to be OK as "non-guests" !

Thanks again for your response.

AA lounge procedures - and others that are nonpublished - state one must accompany their guest at all times.

Many of the rules are arcane or unpublished, which leads to misunderstandings and problems - Qantas First lounge at LAX access was in contention for months.

Better luck the next time; yo did what you could.

commontraveller Sep 2, 2017 2:01 am

Hi,
Is my wife able to access Admiral's Club in O'Hare while connecting from an inbound BA flight from LHR to a domestic AA flight to Indianapolis? She's ticketed through American flying Business on a continuous itinerary originating in Muscat on BA. She is Bronze with OW.

Dave Noble Sep 2, 2017 2:06 am


Originally Posted by commontraveller (Post 28767335)
Hi,
Is my wife able to access Admiral's Club in O'Hare while connecting from an inbound BA flight from LHR to a domestic AA flight to Indianapolis? She's ticketed through American flying Business on a continuous itinerary originating in Muscat on BA. She is Bronze with OW.

As long as the flight is on the same calendar day or prior to 6am the next morning, then yes

commontraveller Sep 2, 2017 4:57 am


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 28767342)
As long as the flight is on the same calendar day or prior to 6am the next morning, then yes

That's great, and yes scheduled later the same evening as arrival. Good to know, much obliged.

JDiver Sep 2, 2017 9:00 am


Originally Posted by commontraveller (Post 28767335)
Hi,
Is my wife able to access Admiral's Club in O'Hare while connecting from an inbound BA flight from LHR to a domestic AA flight to Indianapolis? She's ticketed through American flying Business on a continuous itinerary originating in Muscat on BA. She is Bronze with OW.

Yes, strictly due to class of service travelled on the qualifying inbound sector and flying out on another oneworld flight. Bronze / Ruby status is immaterial in this instance.

MathMusic Sep 2, 2017 11:38 am

I recently hit AA PLT status, and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions where I might try to status match to get a non-AA oneworld sapphire for US lounge access.

I'm thinking I'd probably need to try and get matched to a non-OW program first, but I am not sure who would be best to try and match with. Thoughts?

JDiver Sep 2, 2017 12:00 pm


Originally Posted by MathMusic (Post 28768549)
I recently hit AA PLT status, and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions where I might try to status match to get a non-AA oneworld sapphire for US lounge access.

I'm thinking I'd probably need to try and get matched to a non-OW program first, but I am not sure who would be best to try and match with. Thoughts?

As this question pertains more to status matching from AA Platinum to a non-oneworld alliance and then to another oneworld airline (a short duration strategy at best for most if they're not planning to keep the new status,) I'd make inquiry in the oneworld forum to find out which oneworld airlines might status match and under what conditions they might do so. (Generally, oneworld carriers seem to not match other oneworld airlines' status, AFAIK.) It's off topic for this thread, I'm afraid.

/Moderator

FlyingScientist Sep 2, 2017 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 28546975)
AA lounge procedures - and others that are nonpublished - state one must accompany their guest at all times.

They are not allowed to use the restroom unattended? :eek:

flyalways Sep 2, 2017 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingScientist (Post 28769588)
They are not allowed to use the restroom unattended? :eek:

:D:D:D
I sincerely doubt if this can be enforced if such a rule exists!

You can guest someone from another flight on OW operated carrier. Does
that mean both of you have to leave the lounge at the same time even
if the guest has their flight later than yours ? I do not think so...


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