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GUIDE to redeeming AA miles for Japan Air Lines awards:
For 2012-2015 posts, please see
ARCHIVE: AA Award on JL / JAL / Japan Airlines (master thd)
For further information, see:
HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on
- JL awards are now shown show and can be booked on aa.com
- AwardNexus (free to FlyerTalk members for basic searches) will also reveal, and (for a fee) alert, on JL award seats
- AA awards on JL must be MileSAAver (AAnytime awards are only available on AA marketed and AA operated flights)
- There are no onerous fuel or carrier-imposed surcharges using AAdvantage miles for awards using JL
- JL initially releases awards to AAvantage members 330 days out at 10:00 am JST time (18:00 PDT, 17:00 PST). Note, JL award inventory is released to members of other FFPs 360 day out and updates award and revenue seat award availability once daily ~09:30-12:00 Pacific time
- JL may release 0-2 F and 0-4 J award seats initially; until taken they remain available up to three months from release
- No further seats are likely to be released until shortly (~14 days) prior to scheduled departure - but the last F seat will be retained for sale, not released into award inventory
- No stopovers are allowed on AA awards. Connections may be as long as 23:59.
- Only JAL Mileage Bank members can waitlist awards
- All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments); these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
- If JL & QF are showing availability, but AA can't see it, try calling the Australia AA center as it may be a point-of-sale issue
For 2012-2015 posts, please see
ARCHIVE: AA Award on JL / JAL / Japan Airlines (master thd)
For further information, see:
HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on
AAdvantage Award on JL / JAL / Japan Airlines (2016-2023)
#2026
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WAS/TYO
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP (3MM), DL PM, BONVOY TITANIUM, HYATT GLOBALIST, HILTON DIAMOND, IHG DIAMOND AMB, et al
Posts: 5,913
I just booked a Domestic biz award because I got a small amount of AA miles that I wanted to burn (I won't be flying AA as much in the future and the miles were going to expire)
The fact that they were going to expire eases the pain a little but this is probably my worst redemption ever... if you compare it with Japan's low-cost airlines like Skymark the redemption value for both Economy and Biz tickets is bad. (Skymark's fares are inclusive of 20kg)
The fact that they were going to expire eases the pain a little but this is probably my worst redemption ever... if you compare it with Japan's low-cost airlines like Skymark the redemption value for both Economy and Biz tickets is bad. (Skymark's fares are inclusive of 20kg)
-FlyerBeek
#2027
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
ExpertFlyer shows three selling cabins on a domestic A350 flight CTS-HND, First, Business, and Economy. JAL sells three cabins, First, Class J, and Economy but they only offer domestic awards in Class J and Economy so if you are booking a domestic award, the highest class it will be is Class J. It seems pretty obvious, First maps to First, Economy maps to Economy, and Business maps to Class J. You should be able to tell for sure by what seats you can select. To add more context, when I booked a Qatar Business award through AAdvantage, CAI-DOH-US, the CAI-DOH award was listed on AA as being in First and DOH-US was Business, so the short segment was listed as First Class when booking the award even though the long segment was Business and the complete award priced at the Business Class rate. So, I would expect AA to likewise list the JAL flight award as First if it were really in First, but they don't so it is probably not First which aligns with the other evidence to point to an AA Business award on domestic JAL metal being Class J.
As far as baggage. They can probably tag the luggage through but if you connect in HND I believe you will have to claim and recheck based on previous posts. If both flights are on one ticket you will get the international flight luggage allowance. On separate tickets, I don't know what they will do but I suspect it comes down to two choices, one, the baggage allowances will be separate, or two, they check your bag through but if your bags exceed either individual flight allowance they will charge extra?
#2028
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WAS/TYO
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP (3MM), DL PM, BONVOY TITANIUM, HYATT GLOBALIST, HILTON DIAMOND, IHG DIAMOND AMB, et al
Posts: 5,913
-FlyerBeek
#2029
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CT
Programs: AA EXP, UA, DL Gold, ANA Plat
Posts: 157
This seems to be consistent with their international First. My family flies to Japan a couple of times every year....we fly Economy there and I cash in miles to come back early while they stay with wife's family. I'm on the site by the minute when the 2 week window comes up. Not a prob getting into First yet.
#2030
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: New York
Programs: AA EXP, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 260
Does upgrading a domestic leg of an award ticket to J make it "count" towards AA status? (I'm in particular need of some extra segments)
#2031
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Beantown! (BOS)
Programs: AA PtPro (2 MM); Hilton Diamond; Hertz President Cr; DL SkyMiles; UA MileagePlus
Posts: 3,438
Is it safe to assume booking JL Business award on AA's site is JL Domestic First?
Also, if anyone is certain...CTS-HND (JL) and HND-LAX (AA) on separate tickets, 8 hour connection, safe to assume no issue transferring the bags and they will through-check the bags?
Lastly, if I book an economy ticket CTS-HND connecting to business class HND-LAX will I get the economy or business baggage allowance? Bringing my skis in Jan so I don't think it'll be under 20 kg. That's why I'm thinking about booking first, otherwise I wouldn't bother.
Thanks Flyers!
Also, if anyone is certain...CTS-HND (JL) and HND-LAX (AA) on separate tickets, 8 hour connection, safe to assume no issue transferring the bags and they will through-check the bags?
Lastly, if I book an economy ticket CTS-HND connecting to business class HND-LAX will I get the economy or business baggage allowance? Bringing my skis in Jan so I don't think it'll be under 20 kg. That's why I'm thinking about booking first, otherwise I wouldn't bother.
Thanks Flyers!
When booking First Class or Business Class for the international sector of an itinerary, Class J is permitted for the connecting domestic sector if a seat is available at the time of booking. (Award travel in First Class for the domestic sector is not permitted.)
For itinerary that includes Japan domestic sectors
#2032
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WAS/TYO
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP (3MM), DL PM, BONVOY TITANIUM, HYATT GLOBALIST, HILTON DIAMOND, IHG DIAMOND AMB, et al
Posts: 5,913
-FlyerBeek
#2033
Join Date: Aug 2016
Programs: Avios
Posts: 438
Not sure if JAL flights go back into. Inventory but I will be cancelling 2 J class
Cancelling 2 Flights in around 20 mins . If they do go back hopefully somebody here can get them
First flight 2 Lax to Kix Business March 17 JAL
second flight 2 Hnd to Dfw Business March 31 on JAL
Prime cherry blossom time hopefully someone can get them . We just landed from a great trip and we will definitely not be using them.They we’re booked a year ago as a standby on in case we could not go in November
First flight 2 Lax to Kix Business March 17 JAL
second flight 2 Hnd to Dfw Business March 31 on JAL
Prime cherry blossom time hopefully someone can get them . We just landed from a great trip and we will definitely not be using them.They we’re booked a year ago as a standby on in case we could not go in November
#2034
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 88
We have been searching for business class tickets from JFK-HND-CTS. There seemed to be 1 every day for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Finally tried to book myself for Monday, 10-23 but got the errored out message. Called and was told no availability on Monday but there were award space for the same flight on Tuesday, 10-24. Helpful agent booked the flight for us using 60k AA miles and $5.60 in taxes and told me to expect a confirmation email in about 2 hours. However, still have not received any email and when I log into my AA account, my miles are still there. Should I be concerned or call back or this is normal since the space is with Japan Airlines? Thanks for any advice!!!
#2035
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
We have been searching for business class tickets from JFK-HND-CTS. There seemed to be 1 every day for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Finally tried to book myself for Monday, 10-23 but got the errored out message. Called and was told no availability on Monday but there were award space for the same flight on Tuesday, 10-24. Helpful agent booked the flight for us using 60k AA miles and $5.60 in taxes and told me to expect a confirmation email in about 2 hours. However, still have not received any email and when I log into my AA account, my miles are still there. Should I be concerned or call back or this is normal since the space is with Japan Airlines? Thanks for any advice!!!
#2036
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 88
Thanks for the update. I see the trip in my family's record locator (buying the ticket for mother-in-law). Status is On request, and I see the reservation in the Japan airline site with a different record locator. However, it does state business class but for seat selection, no seat selection. I am hoping that after a few days, then I will be able to select the seats on my end? Thanks again for the expert advice (first time booking a business using AA points, exciting for normal economy travelers)!!!
#2037
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
Thanks for the update. I see the trip in my family's record locator (buying the ticket for mother-in-law). Status is On request, and I see the reservation in the Japan airline site with a different record locator. However, it does state business class but for seat selection, no seat selection. I am hoping that after a few days, then I will be able to select the seats on my end? Thanks again for the expert advice (first time booking a business using AA points, exciting for normal economy travelers)!!!
#2039
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 88
Appreciate the insight, looking forward to surprising the in-laws in October, safe travels everyone!!!
#2040
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 88
Checked today, our flight for October 24, 2023 still shows the same on AA.com as Status: On request
Should I be concerned, we made the original booking with an AA agent on Sunday morning. Since then, we have already booked our flight via Jetblue to JFK to prepare for this trip. When I called AA today, the customer rep said that Japan Airlines needs to review the booking, it's been close to 4 days. Just hope it goes through...
Should I be concerned, we made the original booking with an AA agent on Sunday morning. Since then, we have already booked our flight via Jetblue to JFK to prepare for this trip. When I called AA today, the customer rep said that Japan Airlines needs to review the booking, it's been close to 4 days. Just hope it goes through...