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cynicAAl Jun 19, 2013 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by Austinrunner (Post 20954169)
How does this relate to AA?

I'm guessing his LAX-SJD flight is on AA ( ? )

JDiver Jun 19, 2013 5:47 pm

That seems to be incorrect. Passengers departing the USA with international destinations are required to have a valid passport in most cases - USCBP rules, not TSA.

This will be merged into a very similar thread inquiring about AA's application of the "Spare Tire Rule". /Moderator


Originally Posted by bucketlist (Post 20954293)
You should be able to make it thru TSA, don't know about getting onto plane and into Cabo.

Would bring cc of passport (if available).

From my trips to Mex. (making a Tijuana booze run by walking across the border then walking back) there was no checking of documents to enter Mexico - there likely will be checking to enter Mexico by air).

TSA should let you by, and allow your return to US, but you may not be allowed on the plane w/out a US passport.

TSA link: http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids

You might just go to the airport and see if you can get on - try not to check bags. Also improves chances of getting reticketed on a later flight if you present yourself at the airport v. saying you lost something and couldn't make it to the airport.

Hope something works


deadlee Jun 19, 2013 6:09 pm

(Yeah, the entire flight is on AA, hence posting on this forum; that post got lost when the threads got merged).

I just called AA and they confirmed that I won't be let on the flight without a passport, plain and simple. Pretty unfortunate too, since the flight tonight is oversold (EF shows 0's across, I'm guess that atleast means fully booked?).

I also just got an email from the consulate, who after my incessant calls, expedited the passport and got the visa today, to be overnighted and received by me tomorrow morning.

Gonna try to go to the airport and see if they'll let me standby for a flight tomorrow...otherwise it's gonna be a painfully costly experience!

JDiver Jun 19, 2013 9:28 pm

No, nothing got lost; some people just may choose not to read upthread to determine what has been said (to their detriment). USCBP pretty much says you must have a (valid) passport to depart the USA in most instances, and Mexico requires U S Citizens to have valid passports.

http://www.united.com/web/en-us/img/travel/depdoc.jpg
USCBP requirements for international US departures


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 18884322)
(in part)REQUIREMENTS:

Citizens and permanent, legal residents of the US and Canada:

As January 8th 2007 all US and Canadian citizens will need a passport for their Mexico visit; if a USA resident, your resident (so-called "Green Card" in US) card and passport will be required. (A drivers license and birth certificate are no longer valid forms of identification for a visit to Mexico when travelling by air.) If you arrive at your departure airport without a current valid passport with at least 6 months remaining from your date of entry, to match the 180 day maximum period your FMM is normally valid for, your airline may deny boarding. (Those arriving by ground may use a birth certificate with raised seal of authentication AND photo identification), but if by air passport only.


Originally Posted by deadlee (Post 20954497)
(Yeah, the entire flight is on AA, hence posting on this forum; that post got lost when the threads got merged).

I just called AA and they confirmed that I won't be let on the flight without a passport, plain and simple. Pretty unfortunate too, since the flight tonight is oversold (EF shows 0's across, I'm guess that atleast means fully booked?).

I also just got an email from the consulate, who after my incessant calls, expedited the passport and got the visa today, to be overnighted and received by me tomorrow morning.

Gonna try to go to the airport and see if they'll let me standby for a flight tomorrow...otherwise it's gonna be a painfully costly experience!


tonytifao Jun 19, 2013 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by tonytifao (Post 20949040)
Does anyone have any experience with the Flat Tire Rule for EXPs? This would be the last flight out to MIA in order to catch a connection to South America.

I had a last minute trip, which I arrive MCO on DL 2 hours prior to my departure on AA. The issue this was an unplanned trip and I didn't realize our passport for out son is at home, which is 1 hour away from the airport.

Trying to avoid 3 last min ticket costs.

Please share your experiences.

To share my experience, AA has put me on tomorrow's flight with no issues or charges! :)

JDiver Jun 19, 2013 10:53 pm

Goodonya (and "goodonAA"), and obrigado for letting us know. The "Flat Tire Rule - rules! ;) Now - bon voyage!


Originally Posted by tonytifao (Post 20955528)
To share my experience, AA has put me on tomorrow's flight with no issues or charges! :)


seawolf Jun 19, 2013 11:17 pm


Originally Posted by deadlee (Post 20954127)
I had sent my passport to the Indian consulate two weeks ago for a visa for my trip later next month, but still dont' have it back.

And I am scheduled to travel to Cabo later this evening, but now won't be able to catch my flight.

I contacted the outsourcing company that handles ALL Visa processing, and they can't really seem to do anything to expedite it..

Hopefully I get it tomorrow, and can change my flight to tomorrow.. but that's assuming it gets here tomorrow.

Anyone been through something similar? I feel stranded even though I'm home :)

Pretty pricey ticket too... guess I'll have to cancel it worst case.. Are there any special exceptions for "Missing Docs" that might waive my change/cancellation fees in case I can reschudle for later this week..

As discussed on another thread, you can try the following (YMMV):

http://www.aa.com/i18n/Tariffs/AA1.html

Search for "ACROSS INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARIES". This will bring you to Rule 25 D (ACROSS INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARIES). Scroll down to Rule 25 G (RECOURSE OF PASSENGER) which covers 25 D and allows passenger to a refund as provided by Rule 90 D (INVOLUNTARY REFUNDS).

deadlee Jun 19, 2013 11:38 pm

I went to the airport, and the agent was reluctant to put me on standby for any later flight since there were no other flights out before midnight. He claimed to be unable to put me on standby for the next day, and stated it would cost me "many hundreds of dollars" to confirm for the next day. I asked if he could route me through another itinerary, and again he seemed to have his hands tied.

but then he tapped away on the keyboard and offered to put me on the same flight the next day, but with the change fee. He was unwilling to waive that, and given the alternative, I accepted the offer. I had to fly eventually, so refund was not an option.

Long story short, dont' be sending your passport away if you're planning to fly anytime soon! I'm $200 (and one wasted resort night) the wiser!

Thanks all for your suggestions, really appreciated it!

JDiver Jun 20, 2013 7:42 am

Glad it worked out relatively benignly (no fare class change, for example).

For those relatively last minute visas, I use TDS - Travel Document Services. It costs me a few bucks, but they are, er, deadlee on time (and often enough, cheaper than the visa service companies "recommended" by some travel companies like Tauck or National Geographic).



Originally Posted by deadlee (Post 20955964)
I went to the airport, and the agent was reluctant to put me on standby for any later flight since there were no other flights out before midnight. He claimed to be unable to put me on standby for the next day, and stated it would cost me "many hundreds of dollars" to confirm for the next day. I asked if he could route me through another itinerary, and again he seemed to have his hands tied.

but then he tapped away on the keyboard and offered to put me on the same flight the next day, but with the change fee. He was unwilling to waive that, and given the alternative, I accepted the offer. I had to fly eventually, so refund was not an option.

Long story short, dont' be sending your passport away if you're planning to fly anytime soon! I'm $200 (and one wasted resort night) the wiser!

Thanks all for your suggestions, really appreciated it!


deadlee Jun 20, 2013 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 20957404)
Glad it worked out relatively benignly (no fare class change, for example).

For those relatively last minute visas, I use TDS - Travel Document Services. It costs me a few bucks, but they are, er, deadlee on time (and often enough, cheaper than the visa service companies "recommended" by some travel companies like Tauck or National Geographic).

lol.. nice.. I'll keep them in mind for my next set of Visa escapades, thanks!

AA_EXP09 Jun 23, 2013 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 20957404)
Glad it worked out relatively benignly (no fare class change, for example).

For those relatively last minute visas, I use TDS - Travel Document Services. It costs me a few bucks, but they are, er, deadlee on time (and often enough, cheaper than the visa service companies "recommended" by some travel companies like Tauck or National Geographic).

Or the visa broker promoted on DL.com that emails you telling you that you require a visa even with BNO passport information put in the PNR.

thehawk75 Jun 25, 2013 7:17 pm

If one has booked two separate itineraries, on different airlines if for some reason the first airline (not AA) canceled the flight or was horribly late, does one have the option to stand by for a later flight with AA? (same day obviously)

My scenario is I will be flying into BOS on EI139 (booked into business using BA Avios). It's scheduled to land the previous night at 8:10PM. The plan if all goes as scheduled, would be to meet up with a buddy, grab a later dinner, some drinks, get a short rest at his place, and then head back to the Airport in time to catch flight AA207 that departs at 10:30 AM. There is nearly 14.5 hours in between, so, it's improbable that it could go really bad that 207 is missed. However, if EI139 were canceled. The next flight into BOS wouldn't get there till after 1PM. I suppose in all this time, if indeed the worst case scenario occured and more than a 14.5 hour delay occured I'd have time to call AA, but, what would I ask? To stand by for a later flight that day? Obviously I wouldn't want to be entered in as a 'no-show'. I have another flight a couple of months later on the same itinerary.

Looking at aa.com it seems you can standby, but, I'm not clear on if you have to be at the airport or not to do it. I also see the confirmed flight change option available for $75, but, again not sure how one would play this scenario, when one might not know when they'll actually make it to BOS.

And... yes... if you are thinking a PLT member should know this, well, sorry...I qualified thanks to DBEQM last year, and my 1.85MM are mostly thanks to Citibank, not BIS. :)

At any rate, hopefully this is all hypothetical and everything goes (reasonably) according to schedule.

swag Jun 25, 2013 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by thehawk75 (Post 20990107)

Looking at aa.com it seems you can standby, but, I'm not clear on if you have to be at the airport or not to do it. I also see the confirmed flight change option available for $75, but, again not sure how one would play this scenario, when one might not know when they'll actually make it to BOS.

To standby for a later flight, you need to call AA before your original departure time to let them know of your intentions. They won't actually put you on the standby list, but will protect your ticket from being cancelled/voided as a no-show. Then, when you get to the airport, the agents there will add you to the standby list.

rikramer Jan 17, 2014 9:33 am

Flat Tire Rule for International?
 
Horrible morning today and looking for some guidance. My wife and I were scheduled to fly ORD-SJD (Cabos) this morning. Our taxi got into a fender-bender on our way and it caused us to arrive only 40-odd minutes before departure. We were unable to check our large bag and thus were unable to board. The ticketing agent informed us that there is no 'flat tire' rule to Mexico that could get us on standby today and that we would have to purchase new itineraries outright in order to depart.

I got on the phone with a very kind EXP agent who, after an hour of plugging away, was able to get us on tomorrow's flight. We were not charged any repricing for these tickets but we were however charged a combined $400 in change fees.

Do I have any leg to stand on in asking for sympathy from AA on these charges? Has anyone been in a similar situation? I guess what irks me is that AA often delays/cancels flights due to circumstances beyond their control (weather, air traffic control, etc.), without any compensation provided. In the one instance where I end up missing a flight due to a similarly uncontrollable circumstance, I am docked such a large financial penalty. Any advice/information is much appreciated.

reeg2 Jan 17, 2014 9:42 am


Originally Posted by rikramer (Post 22172466)
Horrible morning today and looking for some guidance. My wife and I were scheduled to fly ORD-SJD (Cabos) this morning. Our taxi got into a fender-bender on our way and it caused us to arrive only 40-odd minutes before departure. We were unable to check our large bag and thus were unable to board. The ticketing agent informed us that there is no 'flat tire' rule to Mexico that could get us on standby today and that we would have to purchase new itineraries outright in order to depart.

I got on the phone with a very kind EXP agent who, after an hour of plugging away, was able to get us on tomorrow's flight. We were not charged any repricing for these tickets but we were however charged a combined $400 in change fees.

Do I have any leg to stand on in asking for sympathy from AA on these charges? Has anyone been in a similar situation? I guess what irks me is that AA often delays/cancels flights due to circumstances beyond their control (weather, air traffic control, etc.), without any compensation provided. In the one instance where I end up missing a flight due to a similarly uncontrollable circumstance, I am docked such a large financial penalty. Any advice/information is much appreciated.

In my one instance of missing an international flight due to my own issue - AA rebooked me on a later flight the same day and protected the J upgrade. I was blown away as my wife had screwed up and caused us both to miss on separate PNR's. I do not believe you have a leg to stand-on, but you might just write a polite letter and ask for some consideration.


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