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AA Bump Rates: Volunteer Compensation / Voluntary Denied Boarding

Passengers involuntarily denied boarding on AA are denied usually after calls for volunteers to accept vouchers (and occasionally variable other benefits), usually beginning at $200 or $300 but possibly going significantly higher, depending on passenger response. See more below, including AA Conditions of Carriage.

See IDB / Involuntarily Denied Boarding on AA & Compensation (master thread) for INVOLUNTARILY denied boarding.

Link to US Dept. of Transportation Aviation Consumer Protection Division's "Fly-Rights - A Consumer Guide to Air Travel" section on Overbooking

"IDB" (involuntarily denied boarding) compensation is governed in the USA by "14 CFR 250.5 - Amount of denied boarding compensation for passengers denied boarding involuntarily".

Link to CFR §250.5; as well:

14 CFR § 250.2b Carriers to request volunteers for denied boarding.
(a) In the event of an oversold flight, every carrier shall request volunteers for denied boarding before using any other boarding priority. A “volunteer” is a person who responds to the carrier's request for volunteers and who willingly accepts the carriers' offer of compensation, in any amount, in exchange for relinquishing the confirmed reserved space. Any other passenger denied boarding is considered for purposes of this part to have been denied boarding involuntarily, even if that passenger accepts the denied boarding compensation.

(b) Every carrier shall advise each passenger solicited to volunteer for denied boarding, no later than the time the carrier solicits that passenger to volunteer, whether he or she is in danger of being involuntarily denied boarding and, if so, the compensation the carrier is obligated to pay if the passenger is involuntarily denied boarding. If an insufficient number of volunteers come forward, the carrier may deny boarding to other passengers in accordance with its boarding priority rules.

14 CFR § 250.9 Written explanation of denied boarding compensation and boarding priorities, and verbal notification of denied boarding compensation.
(a) Every carrier shall furnish passengers who are denied boarding involuntarily from flights on which they hold confirmed reserved space immediately after the denied boarding occurs, a written statement explaining the terms, conditions, and limitations of denied boarding compensation, and describing the carriers' boarding priority rules and criteria. The carrier shall also furnish the statement to any person upon request at all airport ticket selling positions which are in the charge of a person employed exclusively by the carrier, or by it jointly with another person or persons, and at all boarding locations being used by the carrier.

Link to AA Conditions of Carriage, "Oversales"

In the European Union, EC261/2004 governs denied boarding compensation.

Link to EC261 / EC 261/2004 complaints and AA (master thread)

On American Airlines, you are sometimes ineligible for IDB as allowed by the USDOT:
If a flight is oversold (more passengers hold confirmed reservations than there are seats available), no one may be denied boarding against his or her will until airline personnel first ask for volunteers who will give up their reservation willingly, in exchange for compensation of the airline’s choosing. If there are not enough volunteers, other passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with the following boarding priority of American. In such events, American will usually deny boarding based upon check-in time, but we may also consider factors such as severe hardships, fare paid, and status within the AAdvantage® program.

If you are denied boarding involuntarily, you are entitled to a payment of
‘‘denied boarding compensation’’ from the airline unless:

- You have not fully complied with the airline’s ticketing, check-in and reconfirmation requirements, or you are not acceptable for transportation under the airline’s usual rules and practices; or

- You are denied boarding because the flight is canceled; or

You are denied boarding because a smaller capacity aircraft was substituted for safety or operational reasons; or

- On a flight operated with an aircraft having 60 or fewer seats, you are denied boarding due to safety-related weight/balance restrictions that limit payload; or

- You are offered accommodations in a section of the aircraft other than specified in your ticket, at no extra charge (a passenger seated in a section for which a lower fare is charged must be given an appropriate refund); or

- The airline is able to place you on another flight or flights that are planned to reach your next stopover or final destination within one hour of the planned arrival time of your original flight.[/code]

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Old Nov 22, 2011, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by fr33b13
Will AA only rebook you for a flight on AA (or AE)?

My friend has a chance to be a volunteer tonight, but her flight is the last flight of the night and they are currently only offering $250 voucher.
I've personally been rerouted on UA when the last flight of the day was overbooked, but that's as a VDB and I made it a condition of volunteering... and was the only volunteer. They'd rather that than IDB'ing someone.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 12:28 am
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Just saw this thread. Two recent VDB's that I'm aware of:

Myself:

SAT-DFW earlier this month: $300 voucher and a free first class upgrade on the next flight which was 50 minutes later.'

Colleague:

Original Routing: FRA-DFW-SAN in June. Colleague volunteered, got $800 voucher and reroute FRA-LHR-SAN (BA) which arrived about the same time as her original itinerary called for.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 2:21 am
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Originally Posted by fr33b13
Will AA only rebook you for a flight on AA (or AE)?

My friend has a chance to be a volunteer tonight, but her flight is the last flight of the night and they are currently only offering $250 voucher.
My only experience with this was a few times getting AA to add the cost of the Southwest ticket, less the cost of the AA ticket, to the voucher. This was or a few flights from SJC-SNA, as they were the only other carrier on that route. Not possible now, of course, snce only WN flies that route.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by fr33b13
Will AA only rebook you for a flight on AA (or AE)?

My friend has a chance to be a volunteer tonight, but her flight is the last flight of the night and they are currently only offering $250 voucher.
Yes. I VDBd from an AA flight this month and was rebooked on US.

Since 'tis the MR season, those who need the AA miles/segment to hit a particular elite level might want to ask "am I being rebooked on AA" before volunteering.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by sendbillmoney
Yes. I VDBd from an AA flight this month and was rebooked on US.

Since 'tis the MR season, those who need the AA miles/segment to hit a particular elite level might want to ask "am I being rebooked on AA" before volunteering.
Can you not get original routing credit if you VDB? It makes sense, but does that really happen?
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by ossipago
Can you not get original routing credit if you VDB? It makes sense, but does that really happen?
It does indeed. I asked for original routing credit and received the response cut and pasted below. Of course we know that "cannot" means "will not," but okay. Just something to keep in mind if you're considering VDB and are approaching an elite milestone.

Dear Mr. SendBillMoney,

First, allow me to thank you for being one of our valued AAdvantage
Platinum® members. At AAdvantage® Customer Service, we are always glad
to hear from you.

Unfortunately, it appears you were given a $500 voucher for giving up
your seat. When a voucher is given, we cannot give mileage credit as
well.

Thank you for participating in the AAdvantage program. We appreciate
your business.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by sendbillmoney
It does indeed. I asked for original routing credit and received the response cut and pasted below. Of course we know that "cannot" means "will not," but okay. Just something to keep in mind if you're considering VDB and are approaching an elite milestone.
It totally makes sense to me. I just wasn't sure they stood by it. Good to know.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 5:58 pm
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Originally Posted by sendbillmoney
It does indeed. I asked for original routing credit and received the response cut and pasted below. Of course we know that "cannot" means "will not," but okay. Just something to keep in mind if you're considering VDB and are approaching an elite milestone.

Dear Mr. SendBillMoney,

First, allow me to thank you for being one of our valued AAdvantage
Platinum® members. At AAdvantage® Customer Service, we are always glad
to hear from you.

Unfortunately, it appears you were given a $500 voucher for giving up
your seat. When a voucher is given, we cannot give mileage credit as
well.

Thank you for participating in the AAdvantage program. We appreciate
your business.
Before VDBing, it is prolly best to ensure that your replacement flight segment is w/ AA.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 8:09 pm
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Offered $250 last night lax-fat and confirmed seat on the next/last flight of the night. I declined.
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Old Dec 13, 2011, 7:29 pm
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Was wondering if anybody has ever been bumped on DEL-ORD or ORD-DEL. If so, I'm curious to know if they go above the typical $800 max for this extra long route?
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Old Dec 13, 2011, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by uxb
Before VDBing, it is prolly best to ensure that your replacement flight segment is w/ AA.
Or that your PNR is noted with "please give original routing credit".
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Old Dec 13, 2011, 8:35 pm
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I am on DFW to FRA and it appears to be full. Not sure if it is oversold. I tied to get a ticket and there are no seats available.

Is there any way to see if the flight is oversold ?
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Old Dec 13, 2011, 10:57 pm
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Originally Posted by dfwflyguy
I am on DFW to FRA and it appears to be full. Not sure if it is oversold. I tied to get a ticket and there are no seats available.

Is there any way to see if the flight is oversold ?
A flight isn't "oversold" unless more people show up for it than there are seats.
"Overbooked" means there are more bookings than seats.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 12:23 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Or that your PNR is noted with "please give original routing credit".
Nice.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by uxb
Nice.
No, not nice. REQUIRED if you want ORC without a fight. AA is getting strict on this.
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