777 First vs Business - major differences? (consolidated)
Jun 6, 2011, 10:02 pm
#211
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Jun 6, 2011, 10:18 pm
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I'd use an upgrade cert to move from J to F but the mileage plus the co-pay is sorta pricey. If the OP can sleep in AA NGBC and has no SWUs, then I'd save my money.
Jun 7, 2011, 9:59 pm
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Speaking as one who's enjoyed being tucked in by the cuties in the front cabin on the likes of SQ, CX and [the mature professional staff] on QF, BA, and AA, I was pleasantly surprised by how usable AA's biz beds are. For money, that's what we choose for TATL (actually we count on u/g's and tend to book B-class since that seems to trump all but the exp's). For miles, first class. The difference between biz and first is small, imo.
AA's international 777 first is fine, but someone is being cheapskate foolish by skipping things that *everyone* includes in the First cabin, like pj's and a good duvet. So they save $200 (I don't really know that) and in so doing mark in stone "we're second best". Dumb
AA's international 777 first is fine, but someone is being cheapskate foolish by skipping things that *everyone* includes in the First cabin, like pj's and a good duvet. So they save $200 (I don't really know that) and in so doing mark in stone "we're second best". Dumb
Jun 7, 2011, 11:46 pm
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Speaking as one who's enjoyed being tucked in by the cuties in the front cabin on the likes of SQ, CX and [the mature professional staff] on QF, BA, and AA, I was pleasantly surprised by how usable AA's biz beds are. For money, that's what we choose for TATL (actually we count on u/g's and tend to book B-class since that seems to trump all but the exp's). For miles, first class. The difference between biz and first is small, imo.
AA's international 777 first is fine, but someone is being cheapskate foolish by skipping things that *everyone* includes in the First cabin, like pj's and a good duvet. So they save $200 (I don't really know that) and in so doing mark in stone "we're second best". Dumb
AA's international 777 first is fine, but someone is being cheapskate foolish by skipping things that *everyone* includes in the First cabin, like pj's and a good duvet. So they save $200 (I don't really know that) and in so doing mark in stone "we're second best". Dumb
As to PJs, I'm affraid it'll take someone stripping down to their shorts explaining to the flight attendant that they can't possibly be expected to sleep in their clothes and, unlike XXX airline, no sleepwear was provided. I'd pay (more than the standard fare) to be on this flight. Not an F fare, but I'd pay none the less (maybe an extra 5k miles
).
Jun 8, 2011, 9:23 am
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Let's not confuse "second best" with "second tier." By all accounts, CX is "second best," after SQ, AA is deep into the second tier.
As to PJs, I'm affraid it'll take someone stripping down to their shorts explaining to the flight attendant that they can't possibly be expected to sleep in their clothes and, unlike XXX airline, no sleepwear was provided. I'd pay (more than the standard fare) to be on this flight. Not an F fare, but I'd pay none the less (maybe an extra 5k miles).
As to PJs, I'm affraid it'll take someone stripping down to their shorts explaining to the flight attendant that they can't possibly be expected to sleep in their clothes and, unlike XXX airline, no sleepwear was provided. I'd pay (more than the standard fare) to be on this flight. Not an F fare, but I'd pay none the less (maybe an extra 5k miles
).I generally bring BA pj's along on AA flights; no crew has ever commented. And I think I've seen guys in boxers and a tee shirt. Ugly, but not enough to get notice back in the boardroom.
It's also somewhat interesting that biz pax on AA mostly don't change out of street clothes.
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Jun 8, 2011, 9:52 am
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I personally don't care for AA's international F service. The food is the same as J and the seats are a bit long in the tooth. Without a mattress and/or duvet to sleep on, the seats are lumpy and aren't particularly comfortable. Flight attendants are hit or miss; my only time flying International AA F was PEK-ORD this past January and I had an abysmally ambivalent flight attendant. I don't love the NGBC J seats, but would certainly not waste my money or miles upgrading from those into F.
Oh... and I'd characterize AA's F as "second best" (maybe) in the "second tier." First tier being many foreign carriers (SQ, CX), second tier being BA, UA, LH, AA.
Oh... and I'd characterize AA's F as "second best" (maybe) in the "second tier." First tier being many foreign carriers (SQ, CX), second tier being BA, UA, LH, AA.
Jun 8, 2011, 10:25 am
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I personally don't care for AA's international F service. The food is the same as J and the seats are a bit long in the tooth. Without a mattress and/or duvet to sleep on, the seats are lumpy and aren't particularly comfortable. Flight attendants are hit or miss; my only time flying International AA F was PEK-ORD this past January and I had an abysmally ambivalent flight attendant. I don't love the NGBC J seats, but would certainly not waste my money or miles upgrading from those into F.
Oh... and I'd characterize AA's F as "second best" (maybe) in the "second tier." First tier being many foreign carriers (SQ, CX), second tier being BA, UA, LH, AA.
Oh... and I'd characterize AA's F as "second best" (maybe) in the "second tier." First tier being many foreign carriers (SQ, CX), second tier being BA, UA, LH, AA.
Jun 8, 2011, 10:41 am
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If I get an op upgd, I wonder if the FAs would have an spare duvet for me.
Back to my original question, it seems almost unanimous that is not really worth it to upgrade from J to F for miles+copay but it would be ok burning a SWU.
I will stick to J and possibly upgrade the return from Y.
Thanks everybody.
Jun 8, 2011, 1:16 pm
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In the AA fleet there is no better aircraft than the 777 and there is no better seat than the first class suite.
To me it is a no brainer and I will fly the 777 first class whenever possible.
On AA it does not get any better than this---and I like it so much that I gave up being an EXP last year just to use miles 4 times to fly first on the 777.
To me it is a no brainer and I will fly the 777 first class whenever possible.
On AA it does not get any better than this---and I like it so much that I gave up being an EXP last year just to use miles 4 times to fly first on the 777.
As with others, I agree that AA is 2nd tier, and 2nd place in that tier, too, behind BA (in terms of Oneworld carriers). But still, if you are flying AA, the 777 is the best of the lot, and F is better still. I'm kind of bored with AA J. The NGBC is about as Next Generation as Star Trek: TNG is today. It's been a long, long time since it was "new" or "next".
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Jun 8, 2011, 2:41 pm
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This is probably a really dumb question, but I've seen the phrase "coupon collection" referenced in the past and maybe I'm doing the search badly, but can't find anything on it. So, what is "coupon collection?"
Jun 8, 2011, 8:26 pm
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Not a board that I ever go to personally, but you may not know about it because you haven't met the access requirements. Thread discussing access requirements here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...uirements.html
The TalkBoard recommends that access to The Coupon Connection be restricted to logged-in members who have been members at least 180 days and whose post count is at least 180.
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Jun 8, 2011, 11:49 pm
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Ah, thanks, Clears it up. Admit I was intrigued because our company has cut back travel a lot and I'm flying to Wimbledon next week from SNA in coach the whole way desperately hoping for a miles/co-pay upgrade and not optimistic and this coupon connection thing intrigued me. Look like my butt will be in a powerless coach seat on the 777 both ways, ORD to LHR July 16 and back LHR to ORD July 5. Think I'd better stock up on Ambien.It's been awhile I've been in coach that long.Ugh. But covering Wimbledon is worth it. I think! At least the paper is still sending someone!
Jun 11, 2011, 1:26 am
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[QUOTE=JumboD;16522821...snip...
As to PJs, I'm affraid it'll take someone stripping down to their shorts explaining to the flight attendant that they can't possibly be expected to sleep in their clothes and, unlike XXX airline, no sleepwear was provided. I'd pay (more than the standard fare) to be on this flight. Not an F fare, but I'd pay none the less (maybe an extra 5k miles).[/QUOTE]
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As to PJs, I'm affraid it'll take someone stripping down to their shorts explaining to the flight attendant that they can't possibly be expected to sleep in their clothes and, unlike XXX airline, no sleepwear was provided. I'd pay (more than the standard fare) to be on this flight. Not an F fare, but I'd pay none the less (maybe an extra 5k miles
).[/QUOTE]You may have missed your chance:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110610...oncrimeoffbeat which reads in part: "A German passenger stripped naked on an Iberia flight from Madrid to Frankfurt, forcing the pilot to turn the plane around so he could be removed, the airline said Friday."
May 21, 2012, 11:37 am
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Currently in business jfk - lhr - jfk. Worth it to change to first class?
I'm currently booked on the business class for both leg of the trip to/from JFK/LHR, but wondering what is the difference betwen the business class vs. first class. I might change to the first class for one leg just to experience it, but is it worth it?
How is the food/snack options in the business class on flights to and from JFK/LHR? Also is there an individual TV screen with a decent movie options?
How is the food/snack options in the business class on flights to and from JFK/LHR? Also is there an individual TV screen with a decent movie options?
May 21, 2012, 11:48 am
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Lots of info on basic stuff like this in the FAQ (where it says "Please check here first").
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