ARCHIVE: Routes (Flights) and Hubs (Speculation, News and Discussion)
Dec 14, 2014, 12:25 am
#2296
Join Date: May 2012
Location: LAX
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Posts: 421
Can the big W actually justify a daily nonstop?
Does make sense though. Too bad for me! Just out of curiosity, why would AA send a 737 MIA-TUL weekly? They do it every saturdays for unspecified maintenance. Perhaps some form of maintenance is headed at TUL? Insignificant to travel plans but interesting nonetheless.
Does make sense though. Too bad for me! Just out of curiosity, why would AA send a 737 MIA-TUL weekly? They do it every saturdays for unspecified maintenance. Perhaps some form of maintenance is headed at TUL? Insignificant to travel plans but interesting nonetheless.
Dec 14, 2014, 12:33 am
#2297
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA
Programs: AAdvantage, MileagePlus, SkyMiles
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Dec 14, 2014, 12:34 am
#2298
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
AA plans to find out! Don't forget, it isn't just Walmart, but all of the associated sales offices, catering to Walmart, which are located nearby. Also a few other smaller companies nearby (Tyson and JB Hunt), as well as U-Arkansas.
Dec 14, 2014, 3:06 am
#2299
Moderator: American AAdvantage
Join Date: May 2000
Location: NorCal - SMF area
Programs: AA LT Plat; HH LT Diamond, Maître-plongeur des Muccis
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I believe they have contracted arrangements with AA, and I've seen their buyers in AA F out of PVG.
Dec 14, 2014, 6:17 am
#2300
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TUL may be among the bigger markets without non-stop LAX service, and AA is long-established at TUL. Maybe as more 2-class RJs come along this will be justified. Working against it is the fact that WN has a lot more seats out of TUL than AA.
Last edited by 3Cforme; Dec 14, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Dec 14, 2014, 9:22 am
#2301
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 138
Thanks for info on direct AA flights to Europe hubs
You have confirmed it will be hard but do able to and from a limited # of hubs in Europe from Chicago. Never thought about Helsinki but that is what travel is for. Wife already vetoed a thought to get to Helsinki, then Lenigrad, then wind down south to Istanbul... Also thanks for advising which airport in Istanbul is nearer to center. We may also look at using AA miles in and then on the return trip from Athens use United miles back to ORD though United seems also to have very limited direct Europe hubs unless you use much higher miles (70,000 v 57,500) on a business partner.
Dec 14, 2014, 9:59 am
#2302
Join Date: Oct 2007
Programs: AA, WN, UA, Bonvoy, Hertz
Posts: 2,491
Why no nonstop LAX-TUL?
There is no reason you can't email them for consideration and share your frequency for this route and ask them to forward it to schedule planners.
It might end up being timed liked BDL or TPA but that would be the potential.
Based on the aa.com/morelax website, AA is managing LAX very carefully. So, if there was an issue I am seeing, it is that not enough people change their airline choice fast enough and AA can't keep the new route.
Rasheed
It might end up being timed liked BDL or TPA but that would be the potential.
Based on the aa.com/morelax website, AA is managing LAX very carefully. So, if there was an issue I am seeing, it is that not enough people change their airline choice fast enough and AA can't keep the new route.
Rasheed
Dec 14, 2014, 10:29 am
#2304
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Remember, AA has sort of a temporary (until they get access to their new gates in TBIT, while they're absorbing US, etc) shortage of gates at LAX. So they might have to pick and choose non-stops from LAX more carefully for a while than in the past (and they may be able to do more in the future once their LAX gate situation and plane type mix situation stabilizes).
Dec 14, 2014, 10:40 am
#2305
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,262
It's more complex than demand per se. Have to look at the fares people are willing to pay to fly NS vs. connection and the fact that if there is a TUL-LAX NS, the cuts demand for TUL-DFW and means smaller aircraft/lesser frequency.
With a single connection in the form of a micrhop over to DFW, one can fly TUL to virtually any AA destination in the world, not just LAX.
Lastly, add a LAX-TUL, that means some other frequency somewhere gets cut as there's an aircraft needed. Which one should that be?
With a single connection in the form of a micrhop over to DFW, one can fly TUL to virtually any AA destination in the world, not just LAX.
Lastly, add a LAX-TUL, that means some other frequency somewhere gets cut as there's an aircraft needed. Which one should that be?
Dec 14, 2014, 12:22 pm
#2306
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Why not PWM-GPI? We can come up with infinite combinations that we would like to see, but, like every single airline, AA has limited capacity, and has to decide how best to deploy its assets within a defined strategy. There may be all sorts of reasons why LAX-TUL may make sense, but it has to make more sense (again, consistent with its overall strategy) than at least one other route that AA flies in order for AA to pursue it.
Dec 14, 2014, 2:40 pm
#2307
Join Date: May 2006
Location: SAN
Programs: Lots of faux metal
Posts: 6,425
I have relatives that live in Tulsa, while it is a decent sized city I wouldn't say there is a lot of demand for a NS. What industry is left in Tulsa? Did you know that Tulsa used to be the oil capital of the world. Now not so much. I remember being a kid in 80's flying NS from SAN and LAX. My grandfather was in the oil business and used to fly to LA a lot. If you have ever been to Huntington Beach you would know why.
Dec 14, 2014, 3:58 pm
#2308
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 8,774
You have confirmed it will be hard but do able to and from a limited # of hubs in Europe from Chicago. Never thought about Helsinki but that is what travel is for. Wife already vetoed a thought to get to Helsinki, then Lenigrad, then wind down south to Istanbul... Also thanks for advising which airport in Istanbul is nearer to center. We may also look at using AA miles in and then on the return trip from Athens use United miles back to ORD though United seems also to have very limited direct Europe hubs unless you use much higher miles (70,000 v 57,500) on a business partner.
Why the desire to avoid London, by the way?
Dec 14, 2014, 4:30 pm
#2309
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oklahoma
Programs: MR LT Platinum, HH Diamond, WN A-List,
Posts: 478
United flew this route for several years. They kept shuffling the times around and it never seemed to meet my needs.
Like other said, with a connection through Dallas only adding a extra 2-3 hours on a typical trip it is still not a long trip.
Like other said, with a connection through Dallas only adding a extra 2-3 hours on a typical trip it is still not a long trip.
Dec 14, 2014, 4:35 pm
#2310
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: SEA
Posts: 3,955
It sounds to me like what he's really trying to avoid are the BA fuel surcharges.