AA, BA and IB Announce Better Deal for Trans-Atlantic Flyers
Oct 6, 2010, 3:43 pm
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The whole point is BA flies to points is the US that are not served by AA non-stops and AA flies to points in Europe that are not served by BA non-stops - think FRA, CDG, BRU, MAN, MAD, BCN, MXP, FCO, ZRH and probably others.
Oct 6, 2010, 3:47 pm
#48
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Actually, you pretty much nailed it in someway: San Diego-Tijuana Airport pedestrian bridge plans underway. Not much room to expand at SAN, plans call for expanding TIJ which straddles near the US border as the new int'l airport to be used by both Tijuanans and San Diegans alike.
I wonder what the cross-border airport will be called? General Abelardo L. Rodríguez-New Lindberg Field International Airport?
Actually, you pretty much nailed it in someway: San Diego-Tijuana Airport pedestrian bridge plans underway. Not much room to expand at SAN, plans call for expanding TIJ which straddles near the US border as the new int'l airport to be used by both Tijuanans and San Diegans alike.
I wonder what the cross-border airport will be called? General Abelardo L. Rodríguez-New Lindberg Field International Airport?
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Oct 6, 2010, 3:57 pm
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Thanks for attempting to reply to my question; however, I may not have made myself clear.
Let me give you a real life example. On SFO-ROM, AA has a holiday business class fare, IRHOL1SL. The rules specifically say:
Code:
04.FLIGHT APPLICATION
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
AA FLIGHTS 6125 THROUGH 6225.
Can you please pass this question on to someone else? My original question was:
currently AA, IB and BA transatlantic fares are separate, different, and often prohibit travel on codeshares (i.e. you cannot book an BA-operated AA transatlantic codeshare on the IRHOL-type AA fares), preventing the mix and match that you cited in your post.
Do you have a date for when unified, identical, mix-match AA/IB/BA transatlantic fares are going to replace today's mish-mash of fares?
Do you have a date for when unified, identical, mix-match AA/IB/BA transatlantic fares are going to replace today's mish-mash of fares?
Oct 6, 2010, 4:42 pm
#51
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I'm a LT member of the AA, CO and DL clubs living near SFO. AA is the only one that does not provide reciprocal lounge agreements with its key partners, i.e. BA/IB/JL. I like the other aspects of the AA product more...please let me go to European lounges so I can move my business from Star Alliance!
Oct 6, 2010, 5:07 pm
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AA does have reciprocal lounge agreements with its OW partners. AA PLT (OW Sapphire) and above can use OW partner lounges throughout the world.
Oct 6, 2010, 5:16 pm
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Huh AA does have reciprocal lounge agreements with its OW partners. AA PLT (OW Sapphire) and above can use OW partner lounges throughout the world.
AA does have reciprocal lounge agreements with its OW partners. AA PLT (OW Sapphire) and above can use OW partner lounges throughout the world.
Oct 6, 2010, 5:21 pm
#54
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According to Portfolio (Hungarian financial news site), AA JFK-BUD to start April 4, 2011 and tickets available starting next Monday: http://portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=20989
If you want to avoid those YQ surcharges on redeeming award travel on BA/LHR, going through MA/BUD might be a good option soon!
If you want to avoid those YQ surcharges on redeeming award travel on BA/LHR, going through MA/BUD might be a good option soon!
Oct 6, 2010, 5:47 pm
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I'm curious as well, but I'd be surprised if we got an answer. It's probably proprietary information. He's not going to tell us when they're going to lower fares, or change advance purchase requirements, so why should/would he be able to tell us when the flight applicability rules are going to change?
Oct 6, 2010, 5:54 pm
#56
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SAN-LHR
Regarding the SAN-LHR route on BA just announced...
I am on the other end. I much prefer the SAN-LHR nonstop on BA over SAN-LAX-LHR with AA.
First, I am not going to make it again this year as an EXP, so I will just be a plain Platinum for 2011.
I will not have SWUs and I really have a hard time paying $350 to upgrade my flight from LAX with miles. That BTW, it has never been available as confirmed every time I have tried.
In the past, I would have chosen the SAN-LAX-LHR route just to earn the miles. Now that I will accrue 100% miles on BA, there is even more reason to take this route.
Not sure which Y product is better, but a shorter trip duration + being able to have a full day at work would compensate for it (if AA Y is better, is it?)
First, I am not going to make it again this year as an EXP, so I will just be a plain Platinum for 2011.
I will not have SWUs and I really have a hard time paying $350 to upgrade my flight from LAX with miles. That BTW, it has never been available as confirmed every time I have tried.
In the past, I would have chosen the SAN-LAX-LHR route just to earn the miles. Now that I will accrue 100% miles on BA, there is even more reason to take this route.
Not sure which Y product is better, but a shorter trip duration + being able to have a full day at work would compensate for it (if AA Y is better, is it?)
Oct 6, 2010, 8:40 pm
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- If you have received a confirmed upgrade to a Premium cabin prior to your initial bag check-in, then you will receive the increased allowance of 3 bags, with the heavy charge waived if any of the pieces are 50-70lbs. If you, however, are unable to confirm the upgrade prior to your initial bag check-in, and are only placed on a standby upgrade list, then you will only be eligible for the standard baggage allowance dependant on your frequent flier status and/or ticket.
- If you are not eligible for the increased allowance at initial bag check-in, AA will not be processing refunds if you are upgraded from a waitlist at the gate.
Stephen @ AA
- If you are not eligible for the increased allowance at initial bag check-in, AA will not be processing refunds if you are upgraded from a waitlist at the gate.
Stephen @ AA
I had a question on the heavy-bag charge waiver. I understand what you are saying about being granted the waiver if your upgrade has cleared. What if you are flying multiple segments, and your first segment has not cleared but your second one has. As an example, if I were flying STL-DFW-OGG, and my DFW-OGG segment has cleared but my STL-DFW has not when I check in, would I be charged the heavy-bag charge or would it be waived? Thanks.
I'm assuming that if the first segment has cleared, you get heavy-bag charges waived regardless of the status of upgrades on succeeding segments.
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Oct 7, 2010, 7:17 am
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Stephen - thanks very much for the additional info on the baggage charges. I checked the appropriate pages on AA.com and could not find the statement that overweight charges are waived in business/first... just that business/first can check 3 bags. AA might want to make this more clear (unless I missed it).
Oct 7, 2010, 8:04 am
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Thank you very much for your attempt to answer all of our questions. As I'm sure you've figured out, FTers tend to hyper-analyze the minutiae of policies.
So, more on the luggage.
-Let's say I'm flying FRA-(BA)-LHR-(AA)-ORD. Y from FRA-LHR and F/J from LHR-ORD. Will I pay for 3 bags?
-Let's go the other way. When the bags are rechecked, will BA try to charge me for the bags?
I'm asking because prior to this policy change, these types of scenarios happened and as far as I can tell, official policy was to charge you in one or both instances. However, it was possible to get "one time exceptions" to the contrary.
The other scenario I'm wondering about is:
TPA-DFW-LAX. Let's say you've upgraded only one of those segments. Will the increased allowances apply?
And finally,
LHR-MIA-TPA. LHR-MIA in Y, MIA-TPA in F. Same question. How about the return?
Thanks for your patience and presence!
Oct 7, 2010, 9:09 am
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This AA baggage fee waiver lottery sounds increasingly like the DL baggage fee waiver lottery -- even then this change is an improvement for AA customers over what was to be had earlier this year (and for quite some time prior) by AA customers.
I'm curious if BA is going to start providing us AA EXPs and Plats with the same free baggage allowance that BA provides BA Silvers and Golds. As of yesterday, BA still doesn't seem to care about treating AA EXPs and Plats the same as BA Silvers and Golds when it comes to baggage allowance (and a variety of other at the airport benefits). [Fortunately, AA treats BA Silvers and Golds the same as AA EXPs and Plats when it comes to free baggage allowance for a given cabin]. Will there be a harmonization in this area as well? [I'm just hoping that this doesn't turn out to be like the dysfunctional arrangement that DL elites have to endure when dealing with AF-KL.]
On a side-note, I found the use of "takes effect" for something that has already taken effect to be interesting. Or is the date it "takes effect" October 1st, 2011? I'm going with 2010 and a cut & paste not being revised.
I'm curious if BA is going to start providing us AA EXPs and Plats with the same free baggage allowance that BA provides BA Silvers and Golds. As of yesterday, BA still doesn't seem to care about treating AA EXPs and Plats the same as BA Silvers and Golds when it comes to baggage allowance (and a variety of other at the airport benefits). [Fortunately, AA treats BA Silvers and Golds the same as AA EXPs and Plats when it comes to free baggage allowance for a given cabin]. Will there be a harmonization in this area as well? [I'm just hoping that this doesn't turn out to be like the dysfunctional arrangement that DL elites have to endure when dealing with AF-KL.]
On a side-note, I found the use of "takes effect" for something that has already taken effect to be interesting. Or is the date it "takes effect" October 1st, 2011? I'm going with 2010 and a cut & paste not being revised.