Earning Alaska miles on American upgrade offer to business
#16
Original Poster
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: BOS & SFO
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold
Posts: 675
Please keep us updated on the outcome. What did the email confirmation say?
When you do a SDC on an AS Main fare, the fare class changes to Y, which is just a placeholder. When the flight posts to Mileage Plan, you don't receive a 50% COS bonus, it posts based on the original fare basis purchased.
I am curious to know if AA is using J as a placeholder for the paid upgrade offer. The underlying fare basis should remain intact. Otherwise, a J fare basis would be less restrictive and turn your non-refundable fare into a refundable one.
I have used the chat feature on aa.com to ascertain the fare basis of a purchased y-up to PE fare. There were two, one O class & the other N class, both booked into P class. Once I had them, I could look up the fare rules. If you have time, perhaps you can check to see what the fare basis is for your AA flight.
James
When you do a SDC on an AS Main fare, the fare class changes to Y, which is just a placeholder. When the flight posts to Mileage Plan, you don't receive a 50% COS bonus, it posts based on the original fare basis purchased.
I am curious to know if AA is using J as a placeholder for the paid upgrade offer. The underlying fare basis should remain intact. Otherwise, a J fare basis would be less restrictive and turn your non-refundable fare into a refundable one.
I have used the chat feature on aa.com to ascertain the fare basis of a purchased y-up to PE fare. There were two, one O class & the other N class, both booked into P class. Once I had them, I could look up the fare rules. If you have time, perhaps you can check to see what the fare basis is for your AA flight.
James
#17
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Enjoy the flight. My last A321T flight was very good, the meal memorable in a good way and the eagerness of a new FA trainee provided excellent in-flight service under the watchful eye of a seasoned mentor.
I hope I didn't jinx you....
James
#18
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: BOS & SFO
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold
Posts: 675
Well, at least the M fare class earns 100% EQM. 😀
Enjoy the flight. My last A321T flight was very good, the meal memorable in a good way and the eagerness of a new FA trainee provided excellent in-flight service under the watchful eye of a seasoned mentor.
I hope I didn't jinx you....
James
Enjoy the flight. My last A321T flight was very good, the meal memorable in a good way and the eagerness of a new FA trainee provided excellent in-flight service under the watchful eye of a seasoned mentor.
I hope I didn't jinx you....
James
First time I'll be flying J on an actual transcon leg, so that's why I wanted to get people's opinion on whether that would be worth the cost.
#19
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 10,904
Haha, this will be the 6th time I step foot on an A321T, all in the last 8 months. My first two legs were in F booked on a 38.5k web special award, and then a couple of times in the J section of MCE on the short BOS/JFK sector, and then once in Y on JFK-SNA. The F meal SFO-JFK was great (as were the crew), and I had to make sure I didn't eat too much so I could have a full meal in FFD.
First time I'll be flying J on an actual transcon leg, so that's why I wanted to get people's opinion on whether that would be worth the cost.
First time I'll be flying J on an actual transcon leg, so that's why I wanted to get people's opinion on whether that would be worth the cost.
As for the meal, my understanding is that it's identical, except, F gets soup and J doesn't (hence the "no soup for you" meme.). But then I've never flown it so I might be confused. The general consensus seems to be that unless you can get FFD, the difference between F and J is small, with some people preferring J due to the seat wobble issue. But of course J is a huge upgrade over E/MCE.
#20
Join Date: Mar 2003
Programs: BA GGL; AA LT Gold; AS 100K; DL MM GM; Hyatt G*list, Hilton Diamond; SQ silver
Posts: 3,806
I recently flew on a AA ticket, with both AA and GOL operated flights. At the time of flying, I put my AS number on it, so I automatically got credit for the AA flights. As to the GOL flights, I've written to AA requesting to have only those credited to my AA account. After some push back, the request is now in progress, and hopefully I'll get something out of it. So it's definitely possible, but for such a short flight BOS-JFK, probably not worth the time to pursue.
Everything posted perfectly, spread between the airlines, including status bonus on AA for the G3 flights. If you are flying another such ticket, try to get the AA number put in before flying G3.
#21
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Not true at all. I have had more than one FF number in a book many times. Including the one I discuss below. The problem is getting someone who is knowledgeable enough to do it correctly. Sometimes if you put a FF# in from the start, it can become *sticky* and difficult to update.
I flew the same type of ticket. I had AA put my BA number for the AA flights and for the G3 flights had initially no FQTV. My spouse had AS for the AA flights and nothing for G3. After flying the first segment, we had looked up where to put G3 and asked the AA agent to put in our AA numbers just for the G3 flights.
Everything posted perfectly, spread between the airlines, including status bonus on AA for the G3 flights. If you are flying another such ticket, try to get the AA number put in before flying G3.
I flew the same type of ticket. I had AA put my BA number for the AA flights and for the G3 flights had initially no FQTV. My spouse had AS for the AA flights and nothing for G3. After flying the first segment, we had looked up where to put G3 and asked the AA agent to put in our AA numbers just for the G3 flights.
Everything posted perfectly, spread between the airlines, including status bonus on AA for the G3 flights. If you are flying another such ticket, try to get the AA number put in before flying G3.
In other words, you are talking about changing it mid-trip, which is different from having two numbers there simultaneously.
#22
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
The value of a paid upgrade is a personal thing. Personally, not of value for me on the flight in question. I have flown many long-haul flights in revenue J with per segment fares in the $225-$375 range, a little over $400 with F TATL segments.
I have always said I wouldn't fly a partner if earning less than 100% EQM. However, the closer ties with AA, cross-carrier benefits, AA's larger network, frequency & often much cheaper fares, the lesser earnings are justifiable for the times I fly AA greater than 500 miles where the earnings aren't commensurate. Cost of aquisition is certainly a factor. Extra RDM is nice, but at what cost?
James
#23
Join Date: Mar 2003
Programs: BA GGL; AA LT Gold; AS 100K; DL MM GM; Hyatt G*list, Hilton Diamond; SQ silver
Posts: 3,806
This is not the same thing. You flew the AA segment and then changed your FF number at the connection point. This works, sometimes. But people who have tried this before the first segment credited have sometimes reported that the whole thing credited to the program that they changed to.
In other words, you are talking about changing it mid-trip, which is different from having two numbers there simultaneously.
In other words, you are talking about changing it mid-trip, which is different from having two numbers there simultaneously.
Get a good agent at one of the Admirals' club to do it properly and you should have your miles post on the different tickets correctly. Unfortunately some of the most competent AC agents I've worked with have retired during the pandemic, so I am going to have to go very patiently with the new agents until they know how to do it correctly.
#24
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Join Date: Apr 2014
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You are probably better off asking on the AA forum. My understanding from reading the forum is that some people prefer the J seats (apparently the F seats are prone to wobble or something) although the F seats are larger and more private.
As for the meal, my understanding is that it's identical, except, F gets soup and J doesn't (hence the "no soup for you" meme.). But then I've never flown it so I might be confused. The general consensus seems to be that unless you can get FFD, the difference between F and J is small, with some people preferring J due to the seat wobble issue. But of course J is a huge upgrade over E/MCE.
As for the meal, my understanding is that it's identical, except, F gets soup and J doesn't (hence the "no soup for you" meme.). But then I've never flown it so I might be confused. The general consensus seems to be that unless you can get FFD, the difference between F and J is small, with some people preferring J due to the seat wobble issue. But of course J is a huge upgrade over E/MCE.
#25
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 561
Not true at all. I have had more than one FF number in a book many times. Including the one I discuss below. The problem is getting someone who is knowledgeable enough to do it correctly. Sometimes if you put a FF# in from the start, it can become *sticky* and difficult to update.
I flew the same type of ticket. I had AA put my BA number for the AA flights and for the G3 flights had initially no FQTV. My spouse had AS for the AA flights and nothing for G3. After flying the first segment, we had looked up where to put G3 and asked the AA agent to put in our AA numbers just for the G3 flights.
Everything posted perfectly, spread between the airlines, including status bonus on AA for the G3 flights. If you are flying another such ticket, try to get the AA number put in before flying G3.
I flew the same type of ticket. I had AA put my BA number for the AA flights and for the G3 flights had initially no FQTV. My spouse had AS for the AA flights and nothing for G3. After flying the first segment, we had looked up where to put G3 and asked the AA agent to put in our AA numbers just for the G3 flights.
Everything posted perfectly, spread between the airlines, including status bonus on AA for the G3 flights. If you are flying another such ticket, try to get the AA number put in before flying G3.
#26
Join Date: Mar 2003
Programs: BA GGL; AA LT Gold; AS 100K; DL MM GM; Hyatt G*list, Hilton Diamond; SQ silver
Posts: 3,806
Thanks for the info. I'm aware of such practices but I'm always afraid that an agent would overwrite all segments with my AA number. I even thought about doing it at the connection point, by asking a G3 agent to add my AA number, but was still afraid that it'd overwrite my return flights. And when a late arrival made it a super tight connection, naturally I just dropped it. After all, the G3 credits are minor compared to the AA flights, so I'd rather take the chance of asking for retroactive credit. If you don't mind me asking, when you had more than onr FF number on a reservation, how did you communicate that to the agent? Is there a specific way to instruct them, and is there a way to verify that it's done correctly?
Good luck. Fortunately, AA is not that difficult to have them remove credit if they screw up. They used to sometime refuse, but not recently.