Feb 13, 2020, 8:18 pm
Last edit by: eponymous_coward
Alaska joined oneworld on March 31, 2021. https://blog.alaskaair.com/destinati...nce-countdown/
Note: you cannot make award bookings on OW partners that were not already partners before 3/31 (so can't book QR, UL, S7, MH, RJ, IB, AT). ETA is "later in 2021" (as of April 2021).
Speculation thread for possible changes to Mileage Plan: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alas...l#post32086422
Press Releases related to oneworld announcement:
AS: https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/news-...es?item=123939
OW: https://www.oneworld.com/news/2020-0...n-the-alliance
AA: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details...P/default.aspx
Video: https://player.vimeo.com/video/390731665
Few bullets from releases:
Earning redeemable and elite qualifying miles on all flights marketed and operated by AA was restored on April 1, 2020. Earning chart
Note: you cannot make award bookings on OW partners that were not already partners before 3/31 (so can't book QR, UL, S7, MH, RJ, IB, AT). ETA is "later in 2021" (as of April 2021).
Speculation thread for possible changes to Mileage Plan: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alas...l#post32086422
Press Releases related to oneworld announcement:
AS: https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/news-...es?item=123939
OW: https://www.oneworld.com/news/2020-0...n-the-alliance
AA: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details...P/default.aspx
Video: https://player.vimeo.com/video/390731665
Few bullets from releases:
- Alaska Airlines intends to join the oneworld® alliance, the world's fastest growing and most highly rated global airline alliance, by summer 2021, which will connect Alaska guests to more than 1,200 destinations worldwide.
- American will launch the first service from Seattle (SEA) to Bangalore, India (BLR) beginning October 2020. A new American route from SEA to the global business hub London Heathrow (LHR) will begin flying in March 2021.
- The airlines will continue their domestic codeshare that offers customers hassle-free booking and travel between the two networks. The codeshare will expand to include international routes from Los Angeles (LAX) and SEA.
- Alaska and American loyalty members will enjoy benefits across both airlines, including the ability to earn and use miles on both airlines’ full networks, elite status reciprocity and lounge access to nearly 50 American Admirals Club lounges worldwide and seven Alaska Lounges in the U.S.
- For MVP Golds and Gold 75Ks, you will be able to access more than 650 international business class lounges within the oneworld member airline network when flying on an international ticket on an itinerary outside of North America. Source
Earning redeemable and elite qualifying miles on all flights marketed and operated by AA was restored on April 1, 2020. Earning chart
Alaska Joined oneworld (3/31/2021)
Feb 13, 2020, 1:07 pm
#151
Join Date: May 2003
Location: SFO, mostly
Posts: 2,204
As someone currently based in ORD, this is mostly good news. The potential bad news is that as an MVP, I was almost always able to sit in premium seats, so not sure how that will change if the elite ranks increase. I basically fly enough miles on AS just to retain status.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:07 pm
#152
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: SAN
Programs: 1K (since 2008), *G (since 1990), 1MM
Posts: 3,219
Will look to see how the dust settles the challenge will be Q121.
Never really flown AA but that article about the FA and the FC seat was quite jarring.
*sigh
Feb 13, 2020, 1:08 pm
#153
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 21,027
Within OW award charts have a wide disparately. Some have (high) cash surcharges.
Earn to burn has wide range in OW ffp's.
I’m in the EK lounge now finishing up the final leg of a trip that will net me just about enough miles for a one way Asia-US Biz class ticket on CX.
I think this announcement will be the beginning of the end of this kind of bargain. I’m basically getting one free flight for every 2 I take and I love AS for this but figured it would end eventually.
I think this announcement will be the beginning of the end of this kind of bargain. I’m basically getting one free flight for every 2 I take and I love AS for this but figured it would end eventually.
Four of those are OW airlines
https://www.wheretocredit.com/emirates
Some OW airlines have ff partnerships with out of alliance airlines and non alliance airlines (QF, MH, JL, S7 -->EK, AA-->EY etc)
https://www.wheretocredit.com/jl
https://www.wheretocredit.com/cx
https://www.wheretocredit.com/aa
https://www.oneworld.com/members
AS is a ff partner of many OW airlines now.
From https://www.wheretocredit.com/alaska-airlines
Alaska Airlines can earn miles on, British Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Emirates, Finnair, Hainan Airlines, Japan Airlines, Korean Air, LATAM Airlines, Qantas Airways, Singapore Airlines
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Feb 13, 2020 at 1:46 pm
Feb 13, 2020, 1:18 pm
#154
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Third planet from the Sun
Posts: 7,022
Why does everyone assume that Alaska will move to a revenue based FF program? They have kept the current system as a marketing tool and to keep people flying on Alaska. Each airline can control how many miles, EQM and EQD you earn on partner airlines. Delta is the main airline that Alaska has to compete with and joining One World helps them keep people flying AS.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:26 pm
#155
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Portland, Oregon
Programs: Hilton Platinum, Alaska MVP Gold
Posts: 2,363
People assume it because almost everyone has changed, but this is one of those things that differentiates Alaska. Like Southwest and luggage, everyone else does it, but not Southwest, its one of those things to differentiate.
This whole AA/Oneworld thing is a home run. I can return to flying AA domestically where Alaska does not serve and its fine.
This whole AA/Oneworld thing is a home run. I can return to flying AA domestically where Alaska does not serve and its fine.
Why does everyone assume that Alaska will move to a revenue based FF program? They have kept the current system as a marketing tool and to keep people flying on Alaska. Each airline can control how many miles, EQM and EQD you earn on partner airlines. Delta is the main airline that Alaska has to compete with and joining One World helps them keep people flying AS.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:30 pm
#156
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bay Area
Programs: DL SM, UA MP.
Posts: 12,729
Yeah so no more AF awards or earning?
If you want to earn and redeem for TATLs it's the high BA fees ($1500 for J awards on BA)?
Did they have redemptions on KLM?
Feb 13, 2020, 1:30 pm
#157
Join Date: Apr 2003
Programs: B6 Mosaic, Bonvoy LT Titanium (x SPG LT), IHG Spire, UA Silver
Posts: 5,848
Why does everyone assume that Alaska will move to a revenue based FF program? They have kept the current system as a marketing tool and to keep people flying on Alaska. Each airline can control how many miles, EQM and EQD you earn on partner airlines. Delta is the main airline that Alaska has to compete with and joining One World helps them keep people flying AS.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:33 pm
#158
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: alaska
Posts: 108
Especially since Alaska lost AF and KLM, the Europe options have been kinda lousy.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:34 pm
#159
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: los angeles, calif.
Programs: Alaska Airlines Gold MVP
Posts: 7,170
Simply because American is not going to give away all the revenue it earns with AAdvantage by allowing AS to be its FF bank. If it is going to be way better for those currently using AAdvantage to bank all their miles will Alaska, then AA would take a huge financial hit. AS doesn't have to necessarily go to a revenue based system as they can accomplish that with reduced earning and using $ amount minimums to enable Mileage Plan member to gain OW status. AA is one of the founding members of OW and will call the shots. AA is not doing this for AS's benefit, they are doing it for their own. AS may have some side benefits like gaining access to a wider domestic audience and adding feed to a handful of international flights but to think AA is going to allow AS to keep their FF program as it is seems very unlikely.
AA also cannot "call the shots" because that's illegal collusion. They aren't applying for anti-trust.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:34 pm
#160
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Bend, OR
Programs: AS 100k, UA Platinum, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC
Posts: 228
This is FANTASTIC news and I was thrilled when I saw it come through. As one who travels to a lot of destinations in the US that are not served (or not conveniently served) by AS I can now take PDX-DFW/ORD/CLT and connect to Southern/Midwest destinations and avoid SEA altogether! Great news.
Additionally, my wife and I love the AA Europe long-hauls (flew DFW-DUB and FCO-DFW) last summer in J and am thrilled to have the OW status enhancements on those AA international routes now. Hands down would prefer to put my money towards supporting a US-based business over any other when I am flying abroad.
Additionally, my wife and I love the AA Europe long-hauls (flew DFW-DUB and FCO-DFW) last summer in J and am thrilled to have the OW status enhancements on those AA international routes now. Hands down would prefer to put my money towards supporting a US-based business over any other when I am flying abroad.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:36 pm
#161
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Posts: 10,514
Feb 13, 2020, 1:36 pm
#162
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Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 21,027
People assume it because almost everyone has changed, but this is one of those things that differentiates Alaska. Like Southwest and luggage, everyone else does it, but not Southwest, its one of those things to differentiate.
This whole AA/Oneworld thing is a home run. I can return to flying AA domestically where Alaska does not serve and its fine.
This whole AA/Oneworld thing is a home run. I can return to flying AA domestically where Alaska does not serve and its fine.
QF & AF/KLM are now ff partners
Feb 13, 2020, 1:37 pm
#163
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: alaska
Posts: 108
The big worry for me and several others seems to be how much Alaska is going to devalue its miles as a result of this.
Currently, the JAL/Cathay redemption rates are terrific. If those change, this would actually make me LESS likely to collect Alaska miles.
Currently, the JAL/Cathay redemption rates are terrific. If those change, this would actually make me LESS likely to collect Alaska miles.
Feb 13, 2020, 1:37 pm
#164
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 237
The backstory will probably never be told or won't be clear for a few years. Who started the divorce and who started the make up?
Feb 13, 2020, 1:42 pm
#165
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Seattle, WA
Programs: AS 100K, AA EXP, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 298
A lot of people speculating AS will go revenue based. I don't think it makes sense for AS because they don't operate any high $ premium product (like international J or lie flat transcon). On AA J flyers just need 2-4 international J RTs to reach 15k EQDS, but you can't do that in AS.
As for increasing requirements, I can see 75K going up to 100k partner miles, and tbh I don't see that as a huge hit to take for the added OWE benefits.
As for increasing requirements, I can see 75K going up to 100k partner miles, and tbh I don't see that as a huge hit to take for the added OWE benefits.