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Blog: international partner ticket cancelled due to negative account balance

Old Nov 8, 19, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by nomiiiii View Post
So I've done a lot of shenanigans which have resulted in multi-thousand negative points balances on (mostly hotel) accounts which I then just stop using after milking them - but I always, ALWAYS, make sure that any redemption of hotels/flights happens before the points go in negative territory, precisely for this reason.

This is obviously a grey (or outright black) area which a lot of unethical people take advantage of, but you need to move quickly and then abandon the negative account, instead of sitting on a ticket that someone can notice and suspend.

Its obvious that the blogger did the whole buy something refundable to run up balance then book ticket with it shenanigans - they just weren't smart enough to fly before doing the refund.
Curious what type of tricks you pull. If it's with credit cards and refunds, they can catch up. I did hear some folks book multiple reservations on the phone on within minutes of each other and hoping that they manually only debit one or twice.
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Old Nov 8, 19, 5:13 pm
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My *guess* is that it was a new AS account that never earned any miles from flying, etc., just credit cards initially, including all of the opening bonuses and maybe transferring additional miles in from other credit cards. AS wouldn't especially want to give precious award inventory to customers who aren't genuine loyal customers, so I can imagine that AS wouldn't minding losing the customer anyway. Someone who travels on AS would probably have looked at their account over the months between ticket purchase and attempted travel and they probably would have checked on the itinerary for schedule changes, etc. too.

Or maybe one of the travel award booking services advised the credit card strategy, including the spending and possibly returns too, and then booked the award tickets. Does Loyalty Lobby offer such services for a fee, or just push the credit cards?
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Old Nov 9, 19, 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
My *guess* is that it was a new AS account that never earned any miles from flying, etc., just credit cards initially, including all of the opening bonuses and maybe transferring additional miles in from other credit cards.
I wonder if the negative 9k miles was due to a claw back of the initial bonus. Return could have been far less than $9k to drop below the minimum spend threshold. Another point that will probably never get answered is if the person maxed out their annual mileage purchase and so wouldn't be able to purchase any more to cover the shortfall without elite status.
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Old Nov 9, 19, 3:43 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
Does Loyalty Lobby offer such services for a fee, or just push the credit cards?
Neither. I've read John's blog for years and he's about as vanilla a travel blogger as you can imagine. Posts about his experiences at hotels, flight reviews, notices of point bonus opportunities, etc. I don't think I've ever seen him post a credit card deal. He pretty regularly posts experiences other people have while traveling too.
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Old Nov 9, 19, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by missamo80 View Post
Neither. I've read John's blog for years and he's about as vanilla a travel blogger as you can imagine. Posts about his experiences at hotels, flight reviews, notices of point bonus opportunities, etc. I don't think I've ever seen him post a credit card deal. He pretty regularly posts experiences other people have while traveling too.
Agreed. One of the few blogs I still read. Most other so-called travel blogs as nothing but credit card pushers where every post is written in such a way that it maximizes the number of referral links.
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Old Nov 10, 19, 1:55 am
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
Airlines aren't banks. No shock, the T&Cs for Mileage Plan say AS can yank your already issued MP award tickets for fraud. Emphasis added.
Nowhere in T&C i can find that running into negative balance (especially such small amount) is considered fraud.
If returning items is fraud - lock me up - i returned several hundred $ worth of stuff to ikea and costco just today...

Perhaps there is more to that story but witch hunt in this thread is amusing...
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Old Nov 10, 19, 12:23 pm
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File a DoT complaint and see how it plays out.
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Old Nov 10, 19, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by azepine00 View Post
Nowhere in T&C i can find that running into negative balance (especially such small amount) is considered fraud.
If returning items is fraud - lock me up - i returned several hundred $ worth of stuff to ikea and costco just today...

Perhaps there is more to that story but witch hunt in this thread is amusing...
The blog post has the person who wrote in admit they returned items that put the account in a negative balance months before the award flights were flown, and never corrected this (or apparently checked the account).

The airline apparently judged it as fraud. It does not appear to be an open and shut case in small claims court, but perhaps you are more expert on these matters than I am.

https://www.investopedia.com/bust-ou...nition-4684002

You could probably do the same sort of fraud on a frequent flyer account if you were sophisticated enough. This is probably the type of fraud the airline is looking for.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 4:58 pm
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just curious if Alaska airline can get FBI involve like the case that Delta had as the case is already public.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by pbd456 View Post
just curious if Alaska airline can get FBI involve like the case that Delta had as the case is already public.
Someone who just returned merchandise after getting tickets for their honeymoon (in a circumstance that COULD be innocent mistake; what we know is enough to raise some doubts but it's surely not the whole story) might be in a different class than someone who used multiple FF accounts and misrepresented them as employee travel for a business in what appears to be a years-long scheme. In one case, you can yank some award tickets and there's a good reason to get a hold of Alaska to straighten things out, and Alaska's downside is gone. In the other, there's misrepresentation of identity going on and the people who were being tagged as employees weren't doing anything wrong; it was the travel agency perpetrating an alleged fraud.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 11:27 pm
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I remember when I had a UA ticket on a partner of theirs that stopped flying. They told me that payment for the actual flight does not occur until after the flight, so if Alaska is similar they haven't sustained a financial loss for the Emirates tickets that ended up not being used.

One thing I would be curious about is what happened to the miles used for the ticket. Would they just go back into the travelers account, minus the 9,000 miles, or would Alaska hold them in limbo along with the Emirates ticket that wasn't used. Blog didn't cover that.

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