Nov 26, 2014, 10:16 am
Last edit by: missydarlin
Mileage accrual on Delta flights are changing eff 1/1/15.
Increase in miles earned on premium fares. Decrease on discount economy.
First Class
F, P - 200% of miles flown
A - 175% of miles flown
G - 125% of miles flown
Business Class
J,C - 175% of miles flown
D, I - 150% of miles flown
Z - 125% of miles flown
Economy
Y - 125% of miles flown
B, M, S - 100% of miles flown
H, Q, K - 75% of miles flown
L, U, T, X, V - 50% of miles flown
E - 25% of miles flown
http://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/benefits/elite-levels-and-benefits/program-changes.aspx
Increase in miles earned on premium fares. Decrease on discount economy.
First Class
F, P - 200% of miles flown
A - 175% of miles flown
G - 125% of miles flown
Business Class
J,C - 175% of miles flown
D, I - 150% of miles flown
Z - 125% of miles flown
Economy
Y - 125% of miles flown
B, M, S - 100% of miles flown
H, Q, K - 75% of miles flown
L, U, T, X, V - 50% of miles flown
E - 25% of miles flown
http://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/benefits/elite-levels-and-benefits/program-changes.aspx
2015 MVP: Bye Delta? Miles now based on fare class.
Nov 26, 2014, 5:09 pm
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The version of Concur my employer uses doesn't have any way to push higher fare codes. The only thing you can really do is wait closer to departure to book, but again this would probably run afoul of your travel policy.
Everything DL has done with their FF program has been with the goal of thinning the herd, both their own and thru their partners. This will benefit those that do make it, in theory, though I'm not sure how it'll play out long term. The changes altered my behavior to the point that I'll make AS MVP even though I'm not in SEA anymore.
Nov 26, 2014, 5:23 pm
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Several people, myself included, had to rearrange already overflowing plates of work to get this out on very short notice.
Nov 26, 2014, 5:33 pm
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I understand your disappointment, but there was no "holding this news".
Several people, myself included, had to rearrange already overflowing plates of work to get this out on very short notice.
Thanks for the update, even if its not all a net gain (due to DL).
Originally Posted by missydarlin
Several people, myself included, had to rearrange already overflowing plates of work to get this out on very short notice.
Nov 26, 2014, 5:57 pm
#79
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Missy, here is what the AS website still says. I'm reading flown miles as 100 pct. Was this an oversight?
"Flown miles as well as premium cabin bonuses earned on Delta count towards elite status. Our Mileage Plan™ MVP® members earn 50% Elite Bonus and MVP® Gold and Gold 75K level members earn 100% Elite Bonus on miles flown. Elite Bonus Miles do not count toward elite qualification."
Delta is still crediting 1 MQM per mile flown so it would be nice if the same held true for Mileage Plan EQMs.
"Flown miles as well as premium cabin bonuses earned on Delta count towards elite status. Our Mileage Plan™ MVP® members earn 50% Elite Bonus and MVP® Gold and Gold 75K level members earn 100% Elite Bonus on miles flown. Elite Bonus Miles do not count toward elite qualification."
Delta is still crediting 1 MQM per mile flown so it would be nice if the same held true for Mileage Plan EQMs.
Nov 26, 2014, 6:26 pm
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Personally I'm pretty happy that this is as good as it is. Yes, DL coach will earn fewer miles, but it looks to me like I'll do at least as well as an AS elite as I would as a DL elite at least most of the time. That's as good as could reasonably be hoped for given the decisions DL has made. It also suggests that DL will continue to be around as a partner, which I value, especially given the underwhelming experiences I've had with AA.
And thanks to Missy and crew for getting this out as soon as they could.
And thanks to Missy and crew for getting this out as soon as they could.
Nov 26, 2014, 6:27 pm
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Nov 26, 2014, 6:29 pm
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Our marketing folks didn't have a lot of say in the decision. Delta made the decision to go with revenue based earning. We may have had a say in where fare buckets fell, but overall this was handed to us.
With all of our partners, EQMs are equal to the RDM's (not inclusive of Elite Bonuses or promotional miles).
As for being incentivized to credit to SkyMiles...
I can see where if you were flying enough Skyteam to earn DL status in its own right, then maybe you were always better off crediting to SkyMiles?
But the number of flyers that can hold a high enough status to matter in more than one program. So I expect that most people who are flying a mix of airlines will have to figure out overall what works best individually for them.
It is of course the desire of the Mileage Plan team that you choose to continue to accrue miles with Alaska even when you fly Delta ... but I would guess they'd rather see you fly AS or AA domestically.
I'm not sure how Mileage Plus fits into the equation though?
With all of our partners, EQMs are equal to the RDM's (not inclusive of Elite Bonuses or promotional miles).
As for being incentivized to credit to SkyMiles...
I can see where if you were flying enough Skyteam to earn DL status in its own right, then maybe you were always better off crediting to SkyMiles?
But the number of flyers that can hold a high enough status to matter in more than one program. So I expect that most people who are flying a mix of airlines will have to figure out overall what works best individually for them.
It is of course the desire of the Mileage Plan team that you choose to continue to accrue miles with Alaska even when you fly Delta ... but I would guess they'd rather see you fly AS or AA domestically.
I'm not sure how Mileage Plus fits into the equation though?
My point about both MileagePlus and SkyMiles is this: Both of these programs award EQMs 1:1 on miles flown. Albeit both programs now adding in a revenue requirement to attain status.
I guess with Mileage Plan there is no revenue requirement and it is still a very generous and attractive program overall. For this PDX-based flyer I have been doing my best to support my home town airline and will continue to do so.
Nov 26, 2014, 7:08 pm
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As an ATL based flyer, this will make it more difficult for me to maintain MVPG next year (I'll sit at around 25k EQM on AS, 27k EQM on DL, and 8k EQM on AA this year), but it's probably not a big enough swing to have me considering NOT using AS as a consolidator of miles and staying on AS metal whenever possible (mainly to the west coast through SEA). I'll likely move as many flights as possible to AA metal and try to play the waiting game to book higher fare classes on DL metal when possible.
Nov 26, 2014, 7:34 pm
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With that said, I've avoided DL since the loss of free baggage for AS elites....kinda thought I would need to incorporate some DL/AA (partner) flying in 2014 to get MVP status, but ended up staying on 100% AS metal.
Nov 26, 2014, 7:39 pm
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The net effect of this change, for me, is to cement my decision to stop flying DL. First they pulled all fare class information and inventory from Expert Flyer. And the DL website appears increasingly to be a morass of shifting display options when researching an all-DL itinerary.
I recently tried to book SEA-RDU and finally went with AA, because the fare was comparable, and I could select Main Cabin Extra seats on every leg at no additional charge (unlike DL; sure, there's the slight chance of an upgrade, but I'd rather have the certainty of extra leg room). I did get bit by missing the fact a leg was in O class, but I can't now imagine trying to keep track of multiple fare class differences with DL vs. only one with AA.
I used to fly DL loyally when I couldn't fly AS. No longer. I doubt they'll miss me, but it'll be mutual.
Nov 26, 2014, 9:34 pm
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Nov 26, 2014, 10:37 pm
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I think this hurts us PDX based AS members a huge amount as our options are so limited. Our only international non-stops are on DL and DL is a big player to connections via ATL, MSP and has the only nonstop to JFK (or any NYC airport) that we can get AS miles on. I am extremely dissapointed as I have been loyal to DL as an MVP/G including being wiling to pay much more to fly PDX/AMS than going on other airlines not through AMS to support our only nonstop to Europe. I guess now my international flights will be via ORD or DFW on AA or if to a major city then via SEA and a partner who does give me the right amount of miles.
Nov 26, 2014, 11:02 pm
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I do have to say, some of the other stuff that AS is going to be doing for AS metal flights definitely does help soften the blow. AS seems to be doing the best they can to make up for the ...... hand Delta has given us all.
This makes it an easy decision for me though, no more DL metal, just out of principal, except when work pays for it. Luckily Uncle Sam buys me full Y, so I'll actually come out ahead on that one.
This makes it an easy decision for me though, no more DL metal, just out of principal, except when work pays for it. Luckily Uncle Sam buys me full Y, so I'll actually come out ahead on that one.
Nov 26, 2014, 11:15 pm
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Missy, here is what the AS website still says. I'm reading flown miles as 100 pct. Was this an oversight?
"Flown miles as well as premium cabin bonuses earned on Delta count towards elite status. Our Mileage Plan™ MVP® members earn 50% Elite Bonus and MVP® Gold and Gold 75K level members earn 100% Elite Bonus on miles flown. Elite Bonus Miles do not count toward elite qualification."
Delta is still crediting 1 MQM per mile flown so it would be nice if the same held true for Mileage Plan EQMs.
"Flown miles as well as premium cabin bonuses earned on Delta count towards elite status. Our Mileage Plan™ MVP® members earn 50% Elite Bonus and MVP® Gold and Gold 75K level members earn 100% Elite Bonus on miles flown. Elite Bonus Miles do not count toward elite qualification."
Delta is still crediting 1 MQM per mile flown so it would be nice if the same held true for Mileage Plan EQMs.
Well technically, you do still earn based on miles flown. After January 1, it will be different. But yes, I missed that one
